> -----Original Message-----
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 10:55 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: just plain wrong
> 
> How is it even humanly possible for a 5 yr old to do anything that
> would require police intervention? (Outside of getting their hands on

It's actually quite easy - but perhaps not necessary.  A gun is far from the
only thing that could cause harm to the child or others and even a five-year
old of the right build (especially when adrenaline charged) can overpower an
adult of the right build.

In this particular instance it doesn't seem like the circumstances out of
context predicated the police call - there was obviously previous
interaction with this child and her mother and the police.

> a gun in which case the concern isn't so much the child's temper
> anyway.) Kids are kids. Sometimes kids throw fits - that's life. A
> competent, responsible adult is capable of dealing with the situation
> without involving the police. Police intervention in any situation

This is normally true - but most adults lack the training needed to do that
and some kids are incredibly difficult to control even with training.
Reasonable people are actually quite bad (in general) in dealing with
unreasonable situations for which they've not been trained.

Secondly all kids throw fits, some kids throw FITS.  If you've never had the
opportunity to see one of the latter then you just don't know how bad things
can (and do) get. 

I'm not sure what the current methods taught are, but addressing my old
training to the situation at hand the child would have been restrained much
sooner - as soon as she started hitting the adults.  She wouldn't have been
released until she was calm and would have been immediately restrained again
if the behavior flared up.

I've had to restrain a kid for more than hour (a truly back-breaking
proposition).  I've never had to restrain my own children (thankfully) but
some kids need it.

In this specific case I would expect the (multiple) teachers to be able to
handle the problem without calling outside help.  But to say this should
always be the case doesn't seem right to me.  I can easily see scenarios
where frustrated adults unable to control the situation may call the police.
Who else are they going to call, the fire department?

Personally I would rather they recognize their inability to control the
situation and call the police than escalate things to the point that the
child is allowed to hurt themselves or others or hurt by the over-extended
adult.

Jim Davis




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