violating kill file here. google the following (I don't see why I should have to do your grunt work here).
real simulator design attentional control/placebo design placebo response. Also get a good text on experimental design in Psychology at the graduate level. Pedhauzer et al's Design Measurement and Analysis is a good example. These books give quite a few ways of assessing these effects. the idea is to present a valid, but bogus design. The problem is that people are gullible and will believe almost anything if presented the right way. In addition in research, generally people want to cooperate and please the researcher. Therefore they can be very good at determining the real objective of the study. There is not indication of anything you mentioned that does not fit within a placebo response paradigm. Unless controlled for, for all intents and purposes it esentially fits within a space cadet bs sort of belief. On 7/19/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All very true. But explain to me how you are going to test the effect of the > mind on healing in a double-blind study? This isn't something from the > National Enquirer we're talking about... this is Lancet. Ergo, the science > is sound, or they would not have published it. > On a slightly different topic there is also a problem with the current > paradigm in that drug companies are being relied on for research. Based on > my adventures in the land of coumadin, I can assure you that a similar > effect can be had with either ginko balboa or gingseng. However, there is an > issue of standardizing the dose, one, and monitoring the very considerable > side effects. Therefore, people with clotting issues are given a substance > best known for being a rat poison, rather than a substance best known for > improving memory, because there is a patent on the former and not the > latter. > Dana > > On 7/18/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:57 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: the mechanism of action is unknown > > > > > > A google of the above phrase turns up references to oral > > > anticoagulants, interferon, anti-epileptic medication, mood > > > stabilizers, and treatments for breast cancer, parkinson's and > > > tuberculosis.... > > > > > > conclusion - just cause it's not understood doesn't mean it's not > > > medecine. > > > > Just because some things that work are not understood doesn't mean that > > all > > things that aren't understood work. ;^) > > > > I know I'm harping on this but this is the reason for double-blind studies > > and control groups. People who don't know if their getting the real > > medicine are dosed by doctors that don't know if they're giving the real > > medicine. > > > > It's to link the results to the proper cause: did the drug do what its > > supposed to do? If there's little difference between the test and the > > control groups then it seems clear that the drug just isn't doing much. > > > > The actual method of action isn't as important. Determining that for any > > drug can be insanely painstaking as you're hunting down very specific > > bio-chemical effects in a vast system. > > > > What frustrates me is the blanket being thrown up: because some things > > aren't understood anything is possible. > > > > Comparing a well-tested, well-defined, double-blind proven drug to any of > > the ill-tested, loosely-defined therapies out there based simply on the > > lack > > of complete understanding of the former is just unfair. > > > > Jim Davis > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=17 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:165443 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
