state of grace is a catholic concept afaik and is incompatible with being a murderer. Again, I am just explaining it, not saying I believe it.
Dana On 10/10/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had thought it was being in a state of grace. > > So by that rationale, if a mass murderer one second, lets say one > nanosecond before the trap is opened/switch is pulled/drugs are > injected/etc/., repents then he goes to heaven. At the same time, lets > say a real saint, does good works, lives the saintly life, sacrifices > etc., gets really pissed off at something - stubs his toe - whatever > and suddenly croaks, then he goes to hell. > > Some logic there. > > No wonder the minister in the church I went to as a kid always tried > to avoid talking with me after the services. > > larry > > On 10/10/05, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As far as I know, all mainstream Protestant denomiations are based on a > > "Faith Alone" doctrine. I've heard it both ways for Catholicism - > > Faith+Works will be you to Heaven. > > > > However, James does say that faith is dead without works, but it's not > the > > works that get you to Heaven there - it's the faith. That is to say that > a > > person who, at the minute he dies, repents and professes faith, will get > to > > Heaven. If works are necessary, he can't get there. That's why > Protestant > > religions have a "Faith Alone" doctrine. > > > > > > Matthew Small > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:00 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: You cannot be Catholic and Pro-Choice > > > > I am not sure about the you will be forgiven if you believe in Christ > part. > > I think this is only some sects. > > > > Dana > > > > On 10/10/05, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > God has a policy of forgiveness, and He also cannot be in the presence > > > of sin. However, let me paraphrase the bumper sticker for you: > > > > > > "If you are a true believer of the Catholic faith, then you don't > > > believe in abortion." > > > > > > Since the Catholic Church has an official stance on that, the bumper > > > sticker is correct: you cannot be a Catholic and be pro-choice. It's > > > an either-or > > > situation: either you are in the club, or you are not. > > > > > > It is possible to be a person believing in God and Jesus Christ and > > > also be pro-choice, it's just a matter of denomination, and whether or > > > not you believe that abortion is the killing of a life. However, > > > should you be correct in that there is a God, you will have to answer > > > for your sins to Him. That usually gives pause for reflection to a > > > peson who claim to be a Christian and also feels that abortion is a > > > moral act. > > > > > > Lastly, whether or not you feel that abortion is moral, whether or not > > > you actually do it, you will be forgiven if you believe in Christ. > > > > > > Please don't point holes in this argument out to me. It's not my > > > argument, I didn't invent it, I don't need to be convinced otherwise, > > > and I'm just trying to help Ken understand it. > > > > > > Matthew Small > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 2:33 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: You cannot be Catholic and Pro-Choice > > > > > > I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "You cannot be Catholic > > > and Pro-Choice" > > > > > > I wonder if God is really that strict? I thought he had a policy of > > > forgiveness etc... I believe I shouldn't dictate what other people do > > > with their bodies so I am damned to hell. Seems kinda harsh. > > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for > > > the sole use of the intended > > > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. > > > Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is > > > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the > > > sender and delete any copies of this message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Purchase Dreamweaver with Homesite Plus from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=54 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:176687 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
