> -----Original Message----- > From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 December 2005 01:53 > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: fun weekend reading
I'm going to answer both mails in one to save boring those that don't want to have the chore of deleting this multiple mails in this thread. > Know your enemy. Enemy? Is someone out to get me? > You seem to think it's the American conservatives but it isn't. > It's the liberalism that's destroying Europe and doing a hell > of a job destroying the US. But what of all of the points that I raised in my response? You seem to have avoided answering every single one of them instead falling back to what seems like standard right wing rhetoric... C'mon Sam surely you can do better? I really am interested in your response. What are your thoughts on the points I raised about the allies in WW 2 for instance? Or maybe you'd rather tackle the point I raised regarding the deployment of the military forces from the European nations in Iraq fighting alongside the US? You choose, I leave it up to you. As for your point regarding whether it's the conservatives or the liberals destroying Europe and the US. Who is in power in the US right now? Why is the economy apparently going down the toilet? Are you saying that the current administration isn't even a little bit responsible for the situation? In Europe, well, I admit there are issues. Things are far from perfect. I don't blame the liberals for this. I don't blame the conservatives either. What you have to realise is that Europe on the whole is a *very* diverse place. This is what makes it strong. This is also why things take so long to change and why sometimes member states disagree. Europe has a long history of war. We have member states who have been blood enemies for longer than the US has existed. This depth of history is part of each and every nation and it takes a long time to overcome. It is our respective culture. In my response to you, I had a minor stab at France, but you should know that I have lived there, I own and listen to French music, I like their way of life and if I had the chance to live there again, I would. You see, Europe is currently trying to reach beyond the common histories of the member states in an effort to build strong and lasting relationships that will ensure our part of the world remains at peace. There will always be areas where the member states differ, disagree and even fight (hopefully in a non-military sense) over points of debate. It is part of the evolution of our political infrastructure. This process is not destroying Europe; on the contrary, it is making it far stronger than it has ever been before. > I go to the UK every year and in the pubs we always have two > camps, those for and those against Bush. Funny thing is when > I challenge those against they always recite BS from Moore's > Fakumentary. It's always so much fun to slam them with facts > and watch them clueslessly jump to another falsehood from > Moore. I don't drink because I have a medical condition so I don't bother visiting many pubs these days. I couldn't comment on what the alcohol fuelled masses have to say about world affairs. I do know that when I did go to pubs and clubs they were never the place to have a sensible or reasoned debate about politics because everyone was far too busy getting hammered! I couldn't comment on Moores' "Fakumentary" as you call it because I've never seen any of his work. Not one piece. Sorry to burst your bubble but from what I have seen of Michael Moore, I believe he has his own agenda too. My perception of Michael Moore that he is a master editor with a particular talent of making film and audio footage fit his version of the facts and he knows how to manipulate the media. Somewhere between his version and your version of "the facts" I would guess there is the truth of the matter. In reality however, there is only perception; including mine. >From where I stand, Moore is just as biased as the author of the article you posted. Both of these positions are dangerous and should be shunned. > It's quite entertaining. I imagine you live in a > sheltered world if you only find the Moore crowd. If that is what you think about me after reading my response then you must have a poor imagination and for that you have my pity. For the record, my IQ is 179, I read, I listen and I watch - *a lot*. I am not so weak willed that I follow the opinions of the media blindly. I form my own opinions based on discussion, the media and my own personal experiences. My life is and has been far from sheltered. I have had the good fortune to have lived and worked in the UK, America and mainland Europe (France and the Netherlands). My 'crowd' if you want to call it that is made from an eclectic group of people and I count amongst my friends surgeons, lawyers, lecturers and engineers. They are intelligent, of sound mind and as far away as possbile from being Michael Moore groupies. Oh yes, I am not clueless either. Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:185729 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
