Bonobos are probably the best example of that incidentally... and I hadn't even heard of them until much more recently, having only limited exposure to for example, dogs mounting each other for dominance. But I think the serious study of the behavior of bonobos by Kinsey among others is probably what should be mentioned (specifically actually) by anyone who wants to talk about the argument of homosexual behavior being present in other animals. The problem is, I've seen lots of folks mention the argument, but never seen anyone mention bonobos in the argument. Not that it makes huge differences, but I think it'd be good for people who are making the argument to have more information about the specifics. There was a decent article in Nerve magazine a while back in an issue about bisexuality, which while not clinical might be a good url to give people casually as an example and then they can go search for the heavier material if they're interested. The article even talks a little bit about why we don't hear more about bonobos -- which turns out to be likely just because the people studying them are conditioned like the rest of us and a lot of them won't say "sex" in casual conversation about them, being I guess embarrassed and preferring to refer to them as being "affectionate" or some other euphemism.
> You can marry at 13 in the US, it doesn't happen often, > however it can > happen. In Iowa the age of consent is 14 for non-married > and 12 for married. > Like I said before, many see homosexuality as a non-human > characteristic, > they might as well be chimpanzees to these people, much > was the same when > dealing with segregation, non-white people were considered > lesser people, > and therefore not guaranteed the rights put forth in the > constitution. That > is going on today, just not with the same terms. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> They exist because alot of the leaders and alot of >> society still think >> the government should be allowed to control what people >> do based on >> their own personal morals and religious viewpoints. It's >> all about >> social norms and it doesn't really matter what shapes >> those norms, >> whether it be religion or other forces. >> >> For example, legal age of consent is a fairly recent law. >> In many >> societies in the recent past (and present actually), it >> was/is >> perfectly acceptable for someone to be married at the age >> of 13. I >> don't think that's ok in the USA, and you likely don't >> either, but >> that's because it's an overwhelmingly prevalent social >> norm. WAY >> moreso than drinking, homosexuality, an so many other >> issues. >> >> Gay marriage really isn't black and white at all when so >> much of the >> nation thinks it's wrong. It's about changing people's >> viewpoints >> over time and not about legislating it. You can make it >> legal all you >> want, but until people are convinced it's not the >> downfall of western >> civilization, it's going to be an issue and going to be a >> battle, >> legal or not. >> >> -Cameron > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:199763 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
