----- Original Message ----- From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: Re: Mugabe asks white farmers to return
>> Dino wrote: >> The president has veto power over an entire bill, he does not have line >> item >> veto and most, > > There's 2 problem with that point: > > 1.) The President could (have) easily give(n) himself this power. > He's chosen not too. You sure don't hear him clamoring for it do you? Untrue. Look it up and you'll see Presidents in the past wanting it and it being rejected. Even now Bush does not have the power or support to get this and let me tell you, it's something he would LOVE. > 2.) He can always veto a bill and insist that Congress re-work it or > try to come to a compromise with them (ala Clinton). He hasn't. > That's implicit approval of the Pork. Not always true. Your ignoring the truth of how bills work, the amount of time and effort it takes to get them moving and the money it costs the govenment as well as the various interest groups to get it moving. There have been exceptionally few vetos based on line items and if you look them up you'll see that many of them still went through. >> that. there are more than one group in charge, even if they all act like >> children. >> > > But there's not - they're all Republicans and collectively they are > THE ONLY source. They have the last say. They are? Um, let me put this in the proper manner....You've freaking blind and out of your mind! 232 republicans 205 democrats 1 independant (alligned with the democrats) Looks like they are NOT all republicans. http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RS22007.pdf > Back to the kid analogy: your son can lobby for XBox 360 all he wants > but unless you approve it, he doesn't get it. That means you're > ultimately responsible. And that includes if you go ahead with the > purchase against your wife's wishes. There's a penalty for that, ya > know :) Right but if he lobbies for an increase in support for his grandparents and it has a rider of an XBox, then I can either reject the whole thing and be a bastard, accept the whole thing and give him his XBox with the support or use my (non-existant as president) line item veto. It's no where near as clear cut as you want to make it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:205887 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
