On 7/19/06, Larry Lyons wrote: > > What's tech have to do with it. > > Everything. A state of the art stem cell research lab is beyond bleeding > edge. We just spent over 3/4's of a million on one PCR robot alone.
The tech department builds to specifications, they don't determine the worthiness of the application. > > I said what make you think the US Government is going to create some > > kind of miracle cure > > Look up most of the major medical and biological breakthroughs in the last 40 > years, they were either done by government scientists with the National > Institutes of Health or an affiliate, or funded directly by the NIH. Given > their track record, I'd say its a better than even chance that the government > via its research arm will come up with more than one miracle cure. > > I believe you and admit I'm way out of my league here, but aren't the biotech's and the drug companies the ones laying out the bulk of the research money for the major breakthroughs? > > > The 22 lines you are going on and on about have been said to have > > issues with contamination or just aren't able to be used for stem cell > > research. > > > > I read that they are easily deconaminated. > > And what about such factors as the mouse cell contamination, or the > tumoricity. Those cannot be removed from the 22 cell lines. Moreover of the > cell lines many have lost viability and do not replicate beyond 2 or 3 times. > Thats nowhere near enough to be useful. Also many of the cell line now have a > tendancy to become cancerous now. That cannot be easily correct. Stem-cell pioneer James A. Thomson has shown how to remove the animal materials. I'm not sure about the other issues you mention but more than 85 percent of the research being done worldwide uses these lines. > > > 136 researchers huh, wow, that's ridiculous that you even quoted > > that number. There are more researchers at 1 university. > > > > All doing stem cell research and they all need there own samples? > > Then > > how many do you need and where will they all come from? > > If your facility is receiving any government funding you cannot do stem cell > research except with one of the approved lines, otherwise you lose all > federal funding. Even if that money has nothing to do with the research in > the first place. http://stemcells.nih.gov/StemCells/Templates/StemCellContentPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2finfo%2ffaqs%2easp&NRNODEGUID=%7bA604DCCE-2E5F-4395-8954-FCE1C05BECED%7d&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest#post8901 6. I am a university research administrator. One of our NIH-funded investigators would like to use a cell line that was created after August 9th, 2001, and it is not eligible for research using federal funds. What should I tell the investigator who wants to work with these cells in his laboratory? Institutions need to provide clear instructions to investigators who conduct research that is "unallowable" under federal research funding policy. In laboratories where there is both federal and non-federal funding, investigators and their staffs must separate allowable and unallowable activities in such a way that permits the costs incurred in the research to be charged consistently to the appropriate funding source. In your example, for instance, the time and effort of laboratory personnel working on the stem cell line created after August 9, 2001, may not be charged to any federal grant. Acquisition of equipment, use of cell and tissue culture supplies in the project, and travel to a conference to discuss or present this work likewise may not be federally supported. > > > Do you have any idea how many scientific heads we have lost because > > they are able to go to other countries to do the research. > > > > No, please share. What governments are spending the amount of money > > ours is on this research? > > England is currently spending about 5 times the amount the US spends, China > far more. Even tiny Singapore is spending about twice as much as the US. I'm > not sure about the EU or India, but from what I understand their spending is > in the hundreds of millions for next year. I read the EU is banning it, then I read further and found China was spending close to 250 million and Britain around 180 million. An interesting point is, American scientists have published 46 percent of articles on the subject and the rest divided amongst 17 other countries. With all that money invested they might catch up eventually but it might all change in two years. Also, California is kicking in 6 billion dollars. > > > I think you need some perspective. > > > > Well since I'm not a scientist your probably right but I was refering > > to G's clainm that thousands will die because of this. > > Look how many people die from Parkinson's disease every year, or diabetes. > Tens of thousands, if not more. You do need some perspective on this. This is pure speculation, there isn't any proof anything will come of this. Meanwhile the adult lines and cord cells already show progress. 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