>What I mean is that the conventional war was initiated by Israel - an
>accepted democratic government - against an innocent country
>(according to Israel and the US), occupied by a terrorist
>organization.

WTF!!!! Israel was attacked by Hezballah over the international border. You 
saying that Israel initiated this war to so far from the truth that it's 
totally insane. Hezballah has been launching rockets for the last 6 years at 
Israel and they did nothing. It was not until Hezballah came across the border, 
killed and kidnapped soldiers that this war started. They started it and any 
attempt to say it was initiated by Israel against an 'innocent' country is a 
lie. 

BTW, that innocent country has been a syrian proxy for years and has a 
terrorist organization as part of the government. How innocent is that?

>Yes, Hezbollah is an aggressive force, yes they kidnapped soldiers,
>yes they lob missiles, and these small transgressions go on and on.
>But.  Israel's method of dealing with this has been to destroy
>mutually used infrastructure in some, if not many, cases.  That has
>it's own terror effect.
A member of the lebanese government who is a known terrorist organization 
dedicated to Israel's destruction attacked Israel and your saying any self 
defense on Israel's part is wrong? 
Welcome to the UN.

>A good analogy is if you know the neighborhood asshat, a menace to
>all, is home.  His latest trick has been to run down a neighbor's kid.
> So the kid's dad has had enough and he kicks down the front door and
>goes in shooting.  Does the asshat deserve it?  Yup.  Is the Dad
>responsible if he hits the Asshat's wife by accident?  Yup.  Sure, you
>can argue that as Wife she's complicit, but is she really?  Is she an
>abused spouse?  How about the Asshat's kids?
Your talking about individuals in a society with laws. Israel was attacked over 
an internationally recognised border which is an act of was by international 
law. Totally different cases.

>So it's a question of ethics - should Israel have kicked down the door
>shooting or should it have taken a more thoughtful and consensual
>approach?
Like complain to the UN who covered up the last time Hezballah did this? The UN 
who totally ignores the attacks against Israel even till today (the new human 
rights council condemed Israel with no mention of Hezballah or any related 
circumstances). If those who are supposed to uphold international law refuse to 
stop a violation of international law, then Israel, a member state of the UN, 
has the right by international law to accept the declaration of war from 
Lebanon through their political party Hezballah. 
If the Democrats declared war on Canada, then it's the US that Canada is 
fighting, not just the democrats. Luckily, Israel is only tring to kill 
Hezballah, not all of Lebanon. If they really wanted to destroy Lebanon, it 
would not be there any more. But that fact is again ignored.

>So, for me, if I'm an editor, that's the primary story:  Did Israel do
>this right or are we seeing the effects of doing it wrong?  I say the
>latter and 80% of Israelis agree with me:
If you ignore the facts mentioned above about previous attacks, ignored by the 
UN, by a member of the Lebanese government and more, then yes, Israel did 
right. What would we do if we were in this situation. If Canada or Mexico had a 
violent terrorist group as part of its govenment launching rockets and 
terrorist raids into our country, how should we react? How would any country 
react? Only because it is Israel do we say they've gone too far. This is war 
initiated by Hezballah. Israel is in the right and if it was any other country 
there would be no question.

um, 80% of Israeli's do not agree with you. I think you need to read that story 
again. The number 80 appears nowhere and if you're taking it as a reverse of 
the 20% who think the war can be declaired won today, your mistaken as to how 
polls and statistics (of only 570 people) work. Also, this is no where near a 
scientific poll as there are no bases, no % of error, etc. It's a man on the 
streep poll that could have easily have been given at CFUnited. Has no 
statistical significance. 

>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/749604.html
>
>The secondary story is Hezbollah, but it's a far second.
And that is the totally bullshit of the news. Hezballah was and is the total 
story. Without them, there would be no war today. Without them, Lebanon would 
be enjoying their best tourist season in decades. Without them, Israel would be 
removing more Jewish cities from territory that would be given to the 
Palestinians. 
Hezballah is the entire story. Those who think they are not are not looking at 
all the facts.

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