On 8/29/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This argument is thousands of years old - it's science against > religion by those who see the 2 as opposed. > > I've spoken with an IDer or 2 and here's their problem: "genesis says > that blah, blah, blah, and therefore man didn't come from monkeys."
There are some of these people. They can't really be argued with. If they chose to have faith in an ancient book instead of scientific study, well, OK, can't really do much about that. Some of the ID'ers I've talked to, however, go farther by saying evolution itself is flawed, and that evidence actually supports the Bible more so than evolution. It's these people that I have a huge problem with. Ignoring the misunderstanding of lineage, all they're basically saying > is that what it says literally in the Bible is not meshing with > evolution and, therefore, they're siding with the Bible. > > My response is that, if you're being intellectually honest, you either > have to say that the Bible is a flawed book of Man containing > translated stories about God, or you need to learn Aramaic, Greek, and > Hebrew before you can even begin to make another claim. How can you be "intellectually honest" if you are ignoring intellect and going on faith? You can't. Faith can be used to justify anything....intellect be damned. I also like to pull out the fact of how the Bible says that pictures > of yourself and family are sinful due to vanity and the fact that > they're "graven images", the only purpose of which is to worship > yourself; a big Bible no-no. The Bible is all over the place on a host of things. Is it eye for an eye, or turn the other cheek? Is it kill the infidels, or love your neighbor? Is it cast out the sinners, or is it ye without sin cast the first stone? Is it all are welcome into God's kingdom, or is it a lucky 144,000? You could spend hours drawing intellectual paradoxes with someone who's trying to interpret the Bible literally. Anyway all this shows to me is that Man has not yet figured out how to > merge spirituality, religion, and science. Maybe "Man" hasn't, but I sure have. I'm comfortable as hell with my faith and my science. -------------------------------------------------------- > WARNING: Personal Philosophy Below > -------------------------------------------------------- Cool.... What I know for a fact is that I have an intellect and can reason. If > God is my creator then He gave me these abilities and I don't believe > he did that only to tell me to ignore them and "have faith". He > expects me to use them. I have no idea what he expects....that's part of where faith comes in. I certainly think using what was given me seems like a pretty good idea though. The whole "have faith" line is cop out and exit ramp for > intellectually lazy people who don't want to continue to seek The > Truth as the apostle Thomas instructed them to do. Sometimes, but most definitely not all the time. I have faith...i have faith that there is a Creator greater than me. In all honesty, I only have my faith because reason leads me to believe that something greater than myself is not only possible, but likely. All the same though, I can't prove it...so my belief in it is still "faith". In no way is that faith a cop out or exit ramp for anything. "Have faith" is the Church's mechanism to excuse people from work > since most people would quit if that mechanism didn't exist. What do you mean by this? What work are they excusing people from? Science? Don't follow you here. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:214367 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
