> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I would call those mission critical rather than enterprise, but you
> say tomato ...

Enterprise implies that the system is there for the Enterprise business
user. That it is designed to support a large user base. How critical it is
in the business model is something different. Mission Critical implies
cannot go down, which could be a small one page website or a large
application.

> So - what besides Exchange (which Gmail could easily replace) does any
> major corporation use Windows as their core backend operating system??

How does gmail handle room resources, scheduling conflicts, distribution
lists, public folder, and user delegation?

> In my experience major back-end systems are either:
> 
> 1.) Mainframe IMS/MVS type stuff, or
> 2.) UNIX (Sun/Oracle, AIX/DB2/UDB, etc)
> 
> You know of a company that runs SAP on windows servers?  Wow.  Does
> that even exist?  I'm sure there are but ... wow.

There are several, I don't remember how many or the size, but I know some of
our consultants had done SAP systems far larger than ours in a Windows
Environment with great success. We are running ours in an AIX environment,
which was more of a political choice than a technical one.

> Anyway, my point was:
> 
> (1.) Even if someone is running mission critical apps (beyond email)
> on Windows (wow, I mean ... whoa) this type of thing is going away via
> companies like SalesForce.com and Plexus.com and they ain't runnin'
> Windows!

Online outsources options aren't going to take the place of major systems
for corporate data. Large companies with complex system needs are going to
be hosting thing in house. 

> (2.) The majority of Windows for "enterprise" use is desktops;
> everybody has a Windows XP laptop with Explorer, Word, Excel, etc.
> That job is just as easily done with a Mac (more easily I'd argue) as
> with a PC.  If CIOs start using Macs at home, PCs are dead.

So how do you control patch management and upgrades to third party or in
house application in the Mac world? How do you ensure that somebody doesn't
install an update or plugin to a product that ends up breaking something
else? How do you centrally manage 10,000 Mac desktops from an Authentication
and Authorization perspective with roaming profiles and ensure that the end
user cannot install things?

> The point is, I'm talking individual use.  For that Macs are superior.
>  For "the enterprise" as you call it, UNIX is superior.  Why anybody
> would choose to use Microsoft I don't know unless they just got an
> extremely good licensing deal .. which, I suppose, could happen ...
> but even then I'd either go UNIX or outsource it.

There aren't UNIX based solutions to do this stuff either. If there were why
would MS still be around?


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