> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:21 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Electability and Religion (Yeah, More Atheist Stuff)
> 
> Simple as that. I have firm religious believes that I am not going to
> give
> up just because someone offered their opinion.

I'm sorry, but did somebody (anybody) challenge any religious belief in the
thread?  That was not my intention.

(I hope you're not saying that your religious beliefs somehow hinge on the
founding fathers agreeing with you.)  ;^)

For my part my points are:

1) There is formalized, legal discrimination against non-believers in
several states.  This is the worst kind of discrimination: discrimination
against me.

2) The "founding fathers" were not some homogenous group of modern
Christians: they ran the same gamut that we see in any large, diverse group
of Americans.  Some were specifically anti-religious (while perhaps not
anti-God), others were devout.  Some were apathetic about religion, others
passionate.

All we can say for certain is that they government they drafted specifically
eliminated religion as a foundational or moderating element while ensuring
it's free exercise.  The idea that America was founded as a "Christian
nation" is false.  At the same time America was clearly designed to be
openly accepting of religion amongst its population.

A more compelling argument may be that America is in the process of
transitioning to a Christian nation.  It's clear that a non-Christian is
all-but unelectable to any high office.  More and more laws, decisions and
controversies are religiously motivated and it's painfully clear that many
of our leaders favor Christian groups, ideology and stances.

Jim Davis


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