I have been offline all day and I'm at work now so I'be not going to respond to this blow by blow. But look, sure he was an asshole. You act as though the current situation is rainbows and teddy bears though. All I'm saying is that if you google "worse than Saddam" you get a boatload of hits, and a lot of them seem pretty authoritative.
RE Mexico -- I'm in a border state too. However, I've also been to southern Mexico and one of the things that struck me was the environmental devastation. On a beach in Veracruz where people used to selll seafood, we saw all kinds of trash washed ashore. A lot of the people who wanted to practice english on me because they were headed north mentioned not being able to work their fams. Bottom line -- don't know enough to say for sure it's so, but I don't think you are wise to dismiss Gel's comments about the IMF and/or World Bank. On Nov 20, 2007 5:34 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 20, 2007 2:34 AM, Dana wrote: > > ::sigh:: Karl Rove did a lot of harm to the public discourse in this > > country. For what it is worth, I don't think that people who disagree > with > > you hate America, necessarily. Honest. > > I don't either. It just seems like there are lots of people who can't > wait to blame America and totally ignore the actions of other > countries. It reminds me of Americans during the Cold War that sided > with the Soviets, who were thugs of the first order. > > > > A lot of people *do* see to think the US regime in Iraq is worse. > > That is exactly what I mean. You complain about the right wing > alternate universe, this is the left wing alternate universe. The Left > has conveniently taken a vacation from history in embracing this > position. He killed maybe over a million people in a ten year war with > Iran. He gassed the Kurds. He butchered the Shiites. He routinely had > his citizens imprisoned, raped, tortured, and killed. He invaded > Kuwait and would have invaded Saudi Arabia. He tried to build a > nuclear bomb to hold the Middle East hostage. > > > > You're putting words in my mouth ;) I don't buy into the comic-book > version > > of US foreign policy -- and I really think it's rich to cite the > > Mexican border as proof of American enlightenment, hehe. Have you ever > > *been* to southern Mexico? Or talked to the people that risk their lives > to > > cross that border? Wow. I don't want to believe that the US does any > good in > > the world? It does, but you can't prove it by the Mexican border ;) > > I live in San Diego, I interact with people who have come over the > border all the time. Some come legally, others are here with a wink > and a nod. For them, they come here to work back-breaking jobs for low > wages. They sleep five to a room, or pitch tents in canyons and sleep > under the stars, all because there are no economic opportunities where > they live. People come here and earn enough in a few months to support > everyone in their village for a year. It's not exactly a great life, > but it beats the grinding poverty of rural Mexico, and that's why they > continue to come. The point is that despite the border, people > continue to take great risks to come here because of the opportunities > that exist. > > Personally, I don't agree on the border issue with the majority of > Americans, who have been conned into the view that crossing the border > is a terrible crime that should be punished. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:246879 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
