In other words you cannot show that either theory is a scientific theory.
Quit dodging the issue.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:55 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> 
> 
> Larry, it is beyond the scope of my interest to prove or 
> disprove any one
> scientific theory. I'm only concerned about the logic of 
> teaching one thing
> over another.
> 
> H.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:47 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> 
> 
> Answers inline
> 
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> Larry C. Lyons
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> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> EBStor.com
> 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> tel:   (703) 393-7930
> fax:   (703) 393-2659
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> Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:42 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> >
> >
> > You keep talking about creationism. Where do you get it that
> > this debate is
> > about teaching creationism in school.  You're setting up a
> > straw man, making
> > it look like anybody who disagrees with you is advocating 
> creationism.
> >
> > The question is, should evolution be taught as a dogma or 
> should it be
> > taught as a theory with legitimate questions. You seem to
> > think it should be
> > taught as a dogma since it should not be questioned.
> 
> 
> No what I am saying if a model does not fit the criteria for 
> a scientific
> theory then it has no place in biology or science classes.
> 
> >
> > Since there are real, honest to God scientists, people with 
> impeccable
> > credentials, who question that dogma, why should it be taught
> > as dogma?  Is
> > that intellectually honest?
> >
> > I want scientific rigor in the classroom. Not dogma. Biology
> > class is about
> > the nature of things; if you teach that all that has happened
> > is by random
> > chance, then you are teaching only one world view, a world
> > view that may be
> > flawed. You are providing the children with propaganda not
> > science, because
> > science is about questioning and exploring and opening minds
> > to an array of
> > ideas and possibilities.  It's not a straight jacket that
> > only the dogmas of
> > the chosen few can be fit into.
> >
> > As for the role of parents -- what about the children of
> > parents who don't
> > give a damn? Or don't know any better? Is it fair to those
> > children that
> > they only get the dogma and not the alternative views?
> >
> > The public schools have an obligation to provide fair and
> > balanced views to
> > all children and not advocate one dogma over another.
> >
> To quote from the NCSE FAQ:
> 
> What about the rights of parents to have their beliefs taught to their
> children?
> 
> Nobody denies the right of parents to teach their beliefs at 
> home, or to
> have their children taught their beliefs in churches, summer 
> camps, and so
> on. But the situation in the schools is more complicated. 
> Schools have to
> teach children from a variety of religious and ethnic backgrounds, and
> teachers accomplish this by using a curriculum that avoids 
> promoting or
> denying religious beliefs.
> 
> Teachers must meet curriculum requirements designed to assure 
> that children
> learn what they will need to know. The schools couldn�t 
> function at all if
> they taught every belief of every parent. Some people believe that
> Shakespeare didn�t write the plays he is known for, and have various
> theories about who did write them. Some people believe that 
> the earth is a
> hollow ball, and others (including some creationists) believe 
> that it is
> flat. The schools do their best to teach the most accurate information
> available.
> 
> 
> As I said before where is the scientific veracity of ID or 
> Creationism. I am
> still waiting for your answer. Lets have some demonstrable 
> evidence not
> dogma.
> 
> 
> 
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