> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:56 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Oh dear God no.....
> 
> That's my point. If you remove religion from ID it's in the same camp.
> Doesn't mean it's worth teaching in high school but teach it
> someplace. I believe the intent was to not limit thinking to just what
> is known and provable here but to leave the door open for ideas.

Leaving the door open for ideas is great if you play by the rules.  ID
doesn't.

It doesn't "get us thinking" or provide avenues for new exploration.  The
basic premise (and most of the arguments) for ID are well over 50 years old
- this isn't wild new imaginings, this is old, tired rhetoric.

There's really nothing much to teach... it's a façade theory.  Once you
scratch the surface there's nothing under it.

ID hasn't grown, investigated, experimented or done anything that would mark
it as a thriving, interesting concept.  ID was designed to fulfill the wedge
strategy and is sitting pat.  It was designed as a political tool, not a
serious avenue for research.

I keep waiting to hear interesting things from the ID camp... something that
shows that they're at least pretending to do real science.  But no, most of
what we hear is criticism of evolution with nothing to replace what's being
criticized.  When you're science is more about attack a related-discipline
than strengthening your own it's time for the intellectually honest folks to
throw in the towel.

Jim Davis


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