On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:50 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Michael Dinowitz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's why your not a terrorist. They don't care about those things.
> They
> >  care about killing the American's (and others) in Iraq (and other
> places).
> >  They care about their enemies (America, etc.) looking weak which in
> their
> >  minds are the democrats. They care about the hand wringing of their
> enemies
> >  so that they can take advantage of it. No, they don't want McCain.
> >  Now do a search for FARC and Obama and you'll see what the terrorists
> care
> >  about in their own words.
>
> "They" -- That is sooooo insensitive!  Lumping them all in together like
> that.

I'm sorry. I'll name Hizballah, Hamas, Al Queda and the 'others'
individually. Don't want to be insensitive to murdering scum.


> "Terrorist" is such a loaded term.  I remember battles about what a
> "hacker" is...
>
Not going to play this word game again. A terrorist is a terrorist no matter
how you want to play it.


> Seriously tho-- using shotgun terms does little but fuel the FUD.

I think they generate their own fud. That's their goal, besides killing.

So long as it's "us against them", and the war drums beat, we shall
> know no peace.

Us are those who want to live in peace, like those yeshiva students minding
their own business and studying. Them is the murderer who killed 8 and
wounded 30 of them. And as for us against them, I wonder who were dancing in
the street, giving out candies and praising the 'heroic martyr'?  We shall
know no peace until there is a value for life which seems to be missing on
the part of 'those' groups (see above) and on the part of those peoples (the
dancing palestinians)

>
>
> And I am *so* sick of this "looking weak" shit.  Bush 2 really pushed
> that agenda.

No, the middle east pushed that agenda for the last 2000 or so years.
History.

>
> Real strength doesn't need to look strong, basically.  (Quite often
> doesn't, in my experience.)

That sounds really nice but doesn't play in other cultural arena's.

>
>
> We *are* Real Strength.  Baddest Nation of the Bunch.

Ha!

>
>
> We will literally destroy any who oppose us.

Ha!

>
>
> The problem is actually getting real opposition (without getting into
> a nuclear/economic battle).

Ha!

>
>
> Playing up all this "terrorist" shit is just a way of keeping the
> ever-lasting non-war running, straight out of the book "1984".

Go to the middle east and live there and you'll be quoting some other book
entirely. It's not what you want to think it is. It actually is a terrorist
war going on over there.

>
>
> Winning minds is less about blowing people to bits.  Fighting a war IS
> about blowing people to bits.

Again, you're talking American culture.

>
>
> Please, PLEASE tell me we're not waging a war on "terror", o.k.?  The
> idea is non-sense.  Patently.

We're not. If we were we would actually go to the sources of terror and cut
them off. We're playing games over there. There is terror and there is a war
but its not the one the government is talking about and it's one that is not
being reported here almost at all.

>
>
> We're very good at taking out "real" (in the sense of NOT some
> general, non-objective term like "terror") things, militarily.  Let us
> have those, and say we're at a war with them, vs. this "terror"
> BULLSHIT.  :-)

Dead bodies are real. Terror, the ideal and the goal to get those dead
bodies is real. Again, your trying to dilute the word terror and it's a
shame.

>
>
> My god.  Here I am, my own damn government *spying* on me, invading my
> privacy, and disrespecting the basic tennets of my
> country/citizenship. -- and how, why?  Blame ~them~.  The Excuse.

Spying? You have not heard the "kill the president" thread  from 7 years
back, have you. I'm being watched, your being watched, we're all being
watched. Makes waking to the bathroom naked feel so much better. :)


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