On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .... > I'm sorry. I'll name Hizballah, Hamas, Al Queda and the 'others' > individually. Don't want to be insensitive to murdering scum.
Please do. It'll make it harder to lump "others" in there. "Others" meaning you and me. > > "Terrorist" is such a loaded term. I remember battles about what a > > "hacker" is... > > > Not going to play this word game again. A terrorist is a terrorist no matter > how you want to play it. Sure, words have meanings. But my argument wasn't about the word so much as the application. That was the crux of my "freedom fighter" comment. I'm against "acts of terror", obviously, but I'm also against loose labels. Are there folks you can think of that were our "buds" but that are now "terrorists", or vice versa? > > Seriously tho-- using shotgun terms does little but fuel the FUD. > > I think they generate their own fud. That's their goal, besides killing. Yup. Their goal, and some of our fearless leaders goals. Fear is good for control. Naming things that frighten us, specifically, is much better than lumping them all together and being 'escaret of the shadowy mass. > So long as it's "us against them", and the war drums beat, we shall > > know no peace. > > Us are those who want to live in peace, like those yeshiva students minding > their own business and studying. Them is the murderer who killed 8 and > wounded 30 of them. And as for us against them, I wonder who were dancing in > the street, giving out candies and praising the 'heroic martyr'? We shall > know no peace until there is a value for life which seems to be missing on > the part of 'those' groups (see above) and on the part of those peoples (the > dancing palestinians) Oh, sure. I can tell by experience that "them" conveys meaning. I'm sure that it's all about pure Fear, no agendas or anything like that, right? Hamas represents all Palestine peoples, just like our .gov represents all US peoples. Are you really so sure yours is the only side that yearns for peace? That is the logic I'm trying to prevent. We must work with each other, at the end, if we want to get anywhere. Or we can disdain compromise, and stick to absolutes, and get nowhere. > > Real strength doesn't need to look strong, basically. (Quite often > > doesn't, in my experience.) > > That sounds really nice but doesn't play in other cultural arena's. I could give two shits for how it plays in other cultural arenas. It's the truth. "Seeing is believing" is a logical fallacy, quickly discovered. I could care less about the simpletons. We didn't huff and puff before, and nobody fucked with us. What's changed again? (Don't, for the love of god, say nine el--) Let's make a point of telling people we'll fuck with them first? Retarded. I like the "don't mess with us or else" better. > > We *are* Real Strength. Baddest Nation of the Bunch. > > Ha! > > We will literally destroy any who oppose us. > > Ha! > > The problem is actually getting real opposition (without getting into > > a nuclear/economic battle). > > Ha! You laugh, but it seems true to me. *shrug*. We are bad asses. > > Playing up all this "terrorist" shit is just a way of keeping the > > ever-lasting non-war running, straight out of the book "1984". > > Go to the middle east and live there and you'll be quoting some other book > entirely. It's not what you want to think it is. It actually is a terrorist > war going on over there. You want over here to be like over there? You like living in fear? The .gub using it like a stick? Oh yeah, I forget. Unless we start acting like "them", we'll become "them". Great logic! > > Winning minds is less about blowing people to bits. Fighting a war IS > > about blowing people to bits. > > Again, you're talking American culture. No, I'm talking progress. And Peace. > > Please, PLEASE tell me we're not waging a war on "terror", o.k.? The > > idea is non-sense. Patently. > > We're not. If we were we would actually go to the sources of terror and cut > them off. We're playing games over there. There is terror and there is a war > but its not the one the government is talking about and it's one that is not > being reported here almost at all. It's a complicated game. Some of the bad guys are our friends, and whatnot. The game is being played here. > > We're very good at taking out "real" (in the sense of NOT some > > general, non-objective term like "terror") things, militarily. Let us > > have those, and say we're at a war with them, vs. this "terror" > > BULLSHIT. :-) > > Dead bodies are real. Terror, the ideal and the goal to get those dead > bodies is real. Again, your trying to dilute the word terror and it's a > shame. Again, bullshit. I'm doing nothing of the sort to the word. It's the application, and label that I disagree with. Why not just say "evil bastards" and be done with it? > > My god. Here I am, my own damn government *spying* on me, invading my > > privacy, and disrespecting the basic tennets of my > > country/citizenship. -- and how, why? Blame ~them~. The Excuse. > > Spying? You have not heard the "kill the president" thread from 7 years > back, have you. I'm being watched, your being watched, we're all being > watched. Makes waking to the bathroom naked feel so much better. :) I'm not saying that it didn't go on before, but this is ludicrous! No oversight, ever-increasing reach for power, etc.. This is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad man. Worse than ever, and folks who cater to polarity keep it going. It just isn't that easy. 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