On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:04 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Michael Dinowitz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 9:40 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > .... > > > Sure, words have meanings. But my argument wasn't about the word so > > > much as the application. > > > > And I'm arguing that the application is apt. Again, the example of the > > innocent students murdered the other day. Not soldiers, not military > > advisers or workers, students. > > It's the idea that "they" are a certain way. I'm sick of people who > think they know better, telling me that "the terrorists think X, so > you should do Y" and all that crap. That "they" are like, I don't > know, all Arab or whatever.
Know them by their deeds and try to see them for what they are without getting wrapped up in the 'we are they, they are us, it's all relative' way of thinking. > News flash: "they" is "us" too. > > White guys who go to church. Really? They are us? When was the last time you (as a member of us) went into a school and blew away students? There is a they and it is not us. > > Sure. It's just that you were throwing it around, saying shit like > "dem terrorists are 'frait of the big bad republicans". Huh? I've never said or even hinted at that. Your projecting here or attributing others words to me. > > > Are you really so sure yours is the only side that yearns for peace? > > > That is the logic I'm trying to prevent. We must work with each > > > other, at the end, if we want to get anywhere. Or we can disdain > > > compromise, and stick to absolutes, and get nowhere. > > > > Which side is offering more and more land? Which side is removing its > people > > from their homes to give it to the other side? Which side is holding > back > > its military from killing every man, woman and child in Gaza as a > response > > to the daily rocket attacks? > > And don't give me the "well, it was their land" answer because its not > an > > answer and not 100% true. Most of the land was won in defensive wars. > There > > was no Arab Palestine. Gaza was owned by Egypt and never gave it to the > > Palestinians. The west bank was owned by Jordan who never gave it to > the > > Palestinians. > > It sounds like Israel has it together, why are we supporting them > directly? I get the chess-like "we're pals with X, so don't fuck with > them" stuff, but somehow I think picking sides is sorta wrong, > considering who our friends are. > Lets see. Israel supplies more tech to the world than any country around. They've been our only solid friend in the middle east. Hell, we own them to a huge degree. But we're friends with others in the area (egypt) so we can't bee all 'Israel over all'. we even bend over backwards and apply standards to Israel that we don't apply to anyone else. But the point is moot. Israel's left wing is so hand wringing and self incriminating that they're willing to give it all just for the promise of peace. It's right wing doesn't want to give anything without real peace. Hamas and Fatah are both working against the Palestinian people by torpedoing every peace plan indirectly or directly. Abbas claiming the murderer from the other day is a holy martyr doesn't make him look like a peace partner. If Israel had it together they would have a plan to deal with false peace and false partners. They don't I really wish that we could all just share the land. Especially the > "holy" bits. Israel is the home of many faiths who all worship openly, except for the temple mound which is closed to any faith other than Islam. I wish that all could share the land, especially the "holy" bits. > Sadly, lots of-- ok, some, religions are pretty exclusionary, ya know? No, I don't know. Which religions are you referring to? Not mine, thats for sure. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:256137 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
