You gotta trip less denstar wrote: > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Michael Dinowitz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:04 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > .... >> > It's the idea that "they" are a certain way. I'm sick of people who >> > think they know better, telling me that "the terrorists think X, so >> > you should do Y" and all that crap. That "they" are like, I don't >> > know, all Arab or whatever. >> >> Know them by their deeds and try to see them for what they are without >> getting wrapped up in the 'we are they, they are us, it's all relative' way >> of thinking. > > I don't know if relative is the best word-- it's close, but conveys > other nuances that aren't quite there. > > We all seem to be connected. Perhaps it's existence alone, that's > responsible, although I sorta think it's... more. > > Regardless, we are bound, unequivocally. > >> > News flash: "they" is "us" too. >> > >> > White guys who go to church. >> >> Really? They are us? When was the last time you (as a member of us) went >> into a school and blew away students? There is a they and it is not us. > > I blow away a few students, um, maybe every other week. And I'm not > even a teacher! I do know some stuff, mostly conpewters. > > Get it? Blew their minds? Fill them full of yummy things that make > you think, and hopefully at times, marvel at the marvelousness of it > all. > > Seriously tho, I drove through Oklahoma City like an hour before that > bomb went off. > > There was a school there (well, day-care IIRC). > > Little kids y todo. > > > My phone records were not handed over to John Q. Whoevenknows > >> > Sure. It's just that you were throwing it around, saying shit like >> > "dem terrorists are 'frait of the big bad republicans". >> >> Huh? I've never said or even hinted at that. Your projecting here or >> attributing others words to me. > > I'm pretty sure you said something along the lines of "terrorist > websites say they think democrats are wimps" or some-such. If that > was not you, I'm sorry, that was a good part of what I was getting at > here. > >> > It sounds like Israel has it together, why are we supporting them >> > directly? I get the chess-like "we're pals with X, so don't fuck with >> > them" stuff, but somehow I think picking sides is sorta wrong, >> > considering who our friends are. >> > >> Lets see. Israel supplies more tech to the world than any country around. >> They've been our only solid friend in the middle east. Hell, we own them to >> a huge degree. But we're friends with others in the area (egypt) so we can't >> bee all 'Israel over all'. we even bend over backwards and apply standards >> to Israel that we don't apply to anyone else. But the point is moot. >> Israel's left wing is so hand wringing and self incriminating that they're >> willing to give it all just for the promise of peace. It's right wing >> doesn't want to give anything without real peace. Hamas and Fatah are both >> working against the Palestinian people by torpedoing every peace plan >> indirectly or directly. Abbas claiming the murderer from the other day is a >> holy martyr doesn't make him look like a peace partner. If Israel had it >> together they would have a plan to deal with false peace and false partners. >> They don't > > I'm always saddened when the peace process takes a while. > The fighting, the violence-- it's a cycle, you know. > > I think we help out Taiwan too-- how much money do we give them, do you think? > > Holy crap! I couldn't find that data off-hand (I should book-mark > those sights when I see them ;), but damn! We spend a lot on Defense. > > Hehe, speaking of 1984-- you know it used to be called the department > of war, or something like that, right? The war office. Heh. > >> I really wish that we could all just share the land. Especially the >> > "holy" bits. >> >> Israel is the home of many faiths who all worship openly, except for the >> temple mound which is closed to any faith other than Islam. I wish that all >> could share the land, especially the "holy" bits. > > Yes, it would be nice. I think that it's all pretty special, but some > spots are especially... special. :-) > > I'm still hoping to fall into a fairy (maybe spelt different) ring > some day, as bad as most of those stories turn out. Sometimes I'm > pretty sure there's one near, if you know what I mean. Eh. > > I'd hate to be kept from taking a stroll through the glade, ya know? > Or not being allowed to hold my wife's hand while doing so. > >> > Sadly, lots of-- ok, some, religions are pretty exclusionary, ya know? >> >> No, I don't know. Which religions are you referring to? Not mine, thats for >> sure. > > Maybe. Depends on what flavor of your religion you subscribe to. > > Religions that have a chosen people, or talk to god through dogma > (this text is straight from El, unaltered), are rough. Recipe for > trouble, almost. > > The story I always think of, is my friends going Israelite. Just > because it was popular (at least that was my perception-- I realize > now that I may be wrong, and they just realized it was, The Message), > suddenly I was a Devil and whatnot. Totally lame. I think that was > it-- something about 144,000 people of a certain bloodline-- not that > that's limited to a specific flavor, I don't think. There are a few > that sorta follow that pattern. > > Sorry if the way I'm expressing what I'm trying to express is > offensive, religiously. > > I'm never too sure what type of conversation I can have about religion > with someone (or, by extension, the interweb, I guess :)-- > I dig Joseph Campbell. I've read the first half of the bible > (king james ver, mostly) twice. > I've read a few of the *tras and whatnot, the book of the dead, > sun tzu, i ching, and various other bits and pieces. > > I believe that there are forces greater than we are aware-- perhaps a > benevolent god, maybe The Force, maybe something else... seems the > sum is more than the parts tho, or somethin' along those lines. > I really dig the "hello god" part of Stranger in a Strange Land. > > I like knowing stuff. Or at least learning stuff. :] > > Thanks for taking the time. > And this list. LOL. > > -- > When in Rome, just how Roman should one be? > >
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