On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Michael Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:04 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
....
> > It's the idea that "they" are a certain way. I'm sick of people who
> > think they know better, telling me that "the terrorists think X, so
> > you should do Y" and all that crap. That "they" are like, I don't
> > know, all Arab or whatever.
>
> Know them by their deeds and try to see them for what they are without
> getting wrapped up in the 'we are they, they are us, it's all relative' way
> of thinking.
I don't know if relative is the best word-- it's close, but conveys
other nuances that aren't quite there.
We all seem to be connected. Perhaps it's existence alone, that's
responsible, although I sorta think it's... more.
Regardless, we are bound, unequivocally.
> > News flash: "they" is "us" too.
> >
> > White guys who go to church.
>
> Really? They are us? When was the last time you (as a member of us) went
> into a school and blew away students? There is a they and it is not us.
I blow away a few students, um, maybe every other week. And I'm not
even a teacher! I do know some stuff, mostly conpewters.
Get it? Blew their minds? Fill them full of yummy things that make
you think, and hopefully at times, marvel at the marvelousness of it
all.
Seriously tho, I drove through Oklahoma City like an hour before that
bomb went off.
There was a school there (well, day-care IIRC).
Little kids y todo.
My phone records were not handed over to John Q. Whoevenknows
> > Sure. It's just that you were throwing it around, saying shit like
> > "dem terrorists are 'frait of the big bad republicans".
>
> Huh? I've never said or even hinted at that. Your projecting here or
> attributing others words to me.
I'm pretty sure you said something along the lines of "terrorist
websites say they think democrats are wimps" or some-such. If that
was not you, I'm sorry, that was a good part of what I was getting at
here.
> > It sounds like Israel has it together, why are we supporting them
> > directly? I get the chess-like "we're pals with X, so don't fuck with
> > them" stuff, but somehow I think picking sides is sorta wrong,
> > considering who our friends are.
> >
> Lets see. Israel supplies more tech to the world than any country around.
> They've been our only solid friend in the middle east. Hell, we own them to
> a huge degree. But we're friends with others in the area (egypt) so we can't
> bee all 'Israel over all'. we even bend over backwards and apply standards
> to Israel that we don't apply to anyone else. But the point is moot.
> Israel's left wing is so hand wringing and self incriminating that they're
> willing to give it all just for the promise of peace. It's right wing
> doesn't want to give anything without real peace. Hamas and Fatah are both
> working against the Palestinian people by torpedoing every peace plan
> indirectly or directly. Abbas claiming the murderer from the other day is a
> holy martyr doesn't make him look like a peace partner. If Israel had it
> together they would have a plan to deal with false peace and false partners.
> They don't
I'm always saddened when the peace process takes a while.
The fighting, the violence-- it's a cycle, you know.
I think we help out Taiwan too-- how much money do we give them, do you think?
Holy crap! I couldn't find that data off-hand (I should book-mark
those sights when I see them ;), but damn! We spend a lot on Defense.
Hehe, speaking of 1984-- you know it used to be called the department
of war, or something like that, right? The war office. Heh.
> I really wish that we could all just share the land. Especially the
> > "holy" bits.
>
> Israel is the home of many faiths who all worship openly, except for the
> temple mound which is closed to any faith other than Islam. I wish that all
> could share the land, especially the "holy" bits.
Yes, it would be nice. I think that it's all pretty special, but some
spots are especially... special. :-)
I'm still hoping to fall into a fairy (maybe spelt different) ring
some day, as bad as most of those stories turn out. Sometimes I'm
pretty sure there's one near, if you know what I mean. Eh.
I'd hate to be kept from taking a stroll through the glade, ya know?
Or not being allowed to hold my wife's hand while doing so.
> > Sadly, lots of-- ok, some, religions are pretty exclusionary, ya know?
>
> No, I don't know. Which religions are you referring to? Not mine, thats for
> sure.
Maybe. Depends on what flavor of your religion you subscribe to.
Religions that have a chosen people, or talk to god through dogma
(this text is straight from El, unaltered), are rough. Recipe for
trouble, almost.
The story I always think of, is my friends going Israelite. Just
because it was popular (at least that was my perception-- I realize
now that I may be wrong, and they just realized it was, The Message),
suddenly I was a Devil and whatnot. Totally lame. I think that was
it-- something about 144,000 people of a certain bloodline-- not that
that's limited to a specific flavor, I don't think. There are a few
that sorta follow that pattern.
Sorry if the way I'm expressing what I'm trying to express is
offensive, religiously.
I'm never too sure what type of conversation I can have about religion
with someone (or, by extension, the interweb, I guess :)--
I dig Joseph Campbell. I've read the first half of the bible
(king james ver, mostly) twice.
I've read a few of the *tras and whatnot, the book of the dead,
sun tzu, i ching, and various other bits and pieces.
I believe that there are forces greater than we are aware-- perhaps a
benevolent god, maybe The Force, maybe something else... seems the
sum is more than the parts tho, or somethin' along those lines.
I really dig the "hello god" part of Stranger in a Strange Land.
I like knowing stuff. Or at least learning stuff. :]
Thanks for taking the time.
And this list. LOL.
--
When in Rome, just how Roman should one be?
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