shhhhhhhhhhh chowlee... dayum On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeah, i used to use it for porn too. nowadays i just FTP into Tony's machine > :D > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> i used to use it ALL the time for pr0n >> but since the www came a LONG way with that... >> no more need. >> >> tw >> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I haven't uses it much in years for anything but the binary groups. >>> And I haven't used those in about a year cause I'm on BellSouth (ATT) >>> DSL at home right now. >>> >>> MindSpring use to have an awesome local mindspring.* hierarchy for >>> real discussions, but it was smashed all to hell by CrapLink shortly >>> after they bought MindSpring. >>> >>> -Cameron >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> is usenet stuff still used? >>>> >>>> like are newsgroups still a thing to do? >>>> >>>> tw >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:14 AM >>>>>> To: CF-Community >>>>>> Subject: Re: and so it begins... >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been thinking this day would come sooner or later. What bugs me >>>>>> is >>>>>> how the move is being sold as "protecting kids" or some other BS like >>>>>> that. >>>>> >>>>> Too true... the actual medium is really indifferent. Childporn IS a >>>>> problem, of course, but the actual audience for it is very small and uses >>>>> a >>>>> tiny, tiny percentage of whatever medium they use. >>>>> >>>>> (Of course there's ways to inflate this for political reasons. In many >>>>> countries the age of consent, for example, is 17. So they add any group >>>>> that might have content from those countries. Then they add any content >>>>> from groups where people might post pictures of their kids in any >>>>> situation. >>>>> Then, just for good measure, they add in all the other groups. Then they >>>>> announce that there's 23 terabytes of child-porn on usenet EVERY DAY!) >>>>> >>>>>> Usenet is a huge bandwidth killer, and 90% of the bandwidth used it is >>>>>> for >>>>>> porn and illegal music and videos. >>>>> >>>>> "Bandwith Killer" seems harsh... this is clearly a service that people use >>>>> and want. Last I read USENet takes up about 8 or 9% of total network >>>>> bandwidth. A lot to be sure, but still less than the over 10% of >>>>> bandwidth >>>>> used by YouTube alone. General HTTP (which includes YouTube) accounts for >>>>> about 50% of traffic and P2P about 37-40%. >>>>> >>>>> Annoyingly everything I find lumps email and web traffic together... but >>>>> still points out that Spam accounts for more than 85% of all email. >>>>> >>>>>> ISPs don't want the costs associated >>>>>> with >>>>>> collecting and storing all that crap locally. Why dedicate entire >>>>>> server >>>>>> farms to storing that content locally when usenet companies are doing >>>>>> it for >>>>>> a fee from subscribers? A possible solution would be to negotiate >>>>>> discounted >>>>>> deals with usenet providers that they could pass on to their customers >>>>>> (for >>>>>> a health commission, of course). >>>>> >>>>> This is exactly what Comcast does: every Comcast customer gets a "free" >>>>> one >>>>> gig per month Giganews account. Perfect for text and very light binary. >>>>> >>>>>> I don't even think the liability issue is really a factor. ISPs have >>>>>> been >>>>>> ignoring the MPAA and RIAA for years without consequence. This is all >>>>>> about >>>>>> cutting costs and increasing profits, and it goes hand in hand with >>>>>> TWC's >>>>>> decision to try out metered access. Just wait until they start blocking >>>>>> YouTube. >>>>> >>>>> Exactly - most ISPs (Time Warner is a major one) have been cutting support >>>>> for hosted USEnet for years... retention on even text groups is down to >>>>> less >>>>> than a day or two. This seems like an excuse to drop the service entirely >>>>> and hide behind a questionable moral high-ground to fend off user >>>>> complaints. >>>>> >>>>> Jim Davis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
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