It's an argument of definition. Did they kill people? Yes. Were they
responsible for it? Yes (though not alone). Would I have done it? No. But
the point is the same, the label of terrorist is the wrong one. Militant is
the right one. I'm not using freedom fighter as that is not a word with a
solid, distinct definition (its a phrase actually). I'm not calling them
soldiers as that also has a solid, distinct definition. I'm ONLY arguing
with the label used, not their actions.

And they only destroyed PART of the hotel.

Oh, and back to Ayers, did he call ahead? Was (is) he repentant?

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That is the silliest, most childish argument I have ever heard.
>
> "We called ahead".
>
> (Yeah, we planted bombs in a hotel, and caused the death and serious injury
> of 100 people, but we called first. All of those deaths aren't our fault).
>
> Nope, doesn't cut it.
>
> Responsibility is with the people that planted the bombs. Hidden in milk
> cans. Smuggled into the kitchen of a hotel.
>
> Period.
>
> No, maybe they shouldn't have been using PART of the hotel as a police and
> military office. Granted. But that does not removed the responsiibilty for
> the deaths squarely on the people who planted the bombs.
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Michael Dinowitz <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> > I'll say the same thing that I did before: THEY CALLED AHEAD. Show me
> where
> > anyone in Iraq calls ahead. Show me where McVeigh called ahead to clear
> out
> > civilians in Oklahoma. Show me where Al Queda called ahead to clear out
> > civilians on 9/11. Again and again, the point is that they DID call ahead
> > and DID try to make sure there were no civilian deaths. If that
> difference
> > can't be seen then EVERY military action in which civilians are killed is
> a
> > terrorist act.
> > What counter-terrorism class are you talking about (that I assume you've
> > attended or seen a syllabus for)?
> >
> > I'm blaming the British for having a military location in a civilian
> > dwelling. I'm blaming the British for not evacuating the building when
> > warned before hand. If they used a non-civilian location then this
> > conversation would not be happening. If they listened and cleared out the
> > civilians then this conversation would not be happening.
> >
>
>
> 

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