On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry, that was poorly worded, and more confrontational than I intended Not a problem. It's a sticky conversation as I'm not talking morality but syntax. This is why no one understands editors. :) > > If Begin was not a terrorist, then MOST of those people the US has labeled > terrorists need to be relabeled, as well. Not necessarily true. A terrorist is trying to cause terror and lower confidence in the government's ability to protect. The dividing line is the perceived intent and the stated intent. Blowing up a military base is militancy. A sit in at a college is activism. Damaging property is vandalism (usually criminal). An attack on a pizza shop is terrorism. Oklahoma was terrorism pure and simple. Yes, it was a government building but was known to have a daycare and other civilian offices. No attempt was made to remove or even limit the civilian casualties. The civilians were the targets. 9/11 was terrorism without a doubt. Even the attack on the Pentagon used a plain full of civilians and had no care about any civilians in the Pentagon. As a side note, the use of double staged attacks is terrorism even when used against military targets. These are attacks where the first explosion injures/kills soldiers and the second explosion is timed to kill the medical teams that go in to help the wounded. Oh, and let me take a step back and say that I'm talking about the Kind David Hotel event as stated in the original post. While I don't consider that terrorism, I do see a lot of Irgun's actions as terrorism. Their idea of "an eye for an eye" where they would kill an Arab for each Jew that was killed is terrorism, not justice. > > > I just want a standard set of criteria to be applied, regardless if the > actions are by my team or the other team. > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That is the silliest, most childish argument I have ever heard. > > > > "We called ahead". > > > > (Yeah, we planted bombs in a hotel, and caused the death and serious > injury > > of 100 people, but we called first. All of those deaths aren't our > fault). > > > > Nope, doesn't cut it. > > > > Responsibility is with the people that planted the bombs. Hidden in milk > > cans. Smuggled into the kitchen of a hotel. > > > > Period. > > > > No, maybe they shouldn't have been using PART of the hotel as a police > and > > military office. Granted. But that does not removed the responsiibilty > for > > the deaths squarely on the people who planted the bombs. > > > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Michael Dinowitz < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I'll say the same thing that I did before: THEY CALLED AHEAD. Show me > >> where > >> anyone in Iraq calls ahead. Show me where McVeigh called ahead to clear > >> out > >> civilians in Oklahoma. Show me where Al Queda called ahead to clear out > >> civilians on 9/11. Again and again, the point is that they DID call > ahead > >> and DID try to make sure there were no civilian deaths. If that > difference > >> can't be seen then EVERY military action in which civilians are killed > is > >> a > >> terrorist act. > >> What counter-terrorism class are you talking about (that I assume you've > >> attended or seen a syllabus for)? > >> > >> I'm blaming the British for having a military location in a civilian > >> dwelling. I'm blaming the British for not evacuating the building when > >> warned before hand. If they used a non-civilian location then this > >> conversation would not be happening. If they listened and cleared out > the > >> civilians then this conversation would not be happening. > >> > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:272577 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
