On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill Ayers made himself an enemy of the United States, just like Tim McVeigh > made himself an enemy of the United States- through violence as a means of > political action. By definition, an act of violence against the government > is anti-American. We have the right to protest, the right to assembly, the > right to ask for a redress of grievances to the government. We don't use > violence against each other to advance our political agendas. But Bill Ayers > chose voilence. His choice. Millions of Americans protested against Vietnam > without resorting to violence. Not Bill Ayers.
Bill Ayers was wrong in how he protested. He was not wrong in why he protested. He has changed his ways and I applaud him for that in the same way I condemn him for his earlier actions. > Wright is anti-American nut and so potlically toxic that Obama disowned > everything about him. That was Obama's decision, no one else's. Wright is not anti-american. Honestly, I don't think that McVeigh was anti-american either. I understand his frustration and his anger. I don't happen to share it in the same way, but I understand it. I disagree with the ways in which he expressed his anger, I don't think that violence is justified. He deserved to go to prison for his actions and if the government hadn't of fucked up like they did, I think that Ayers deserved punishment for his actions. None the less, I say that Ayers, Wright and McVeigh all were interested in creating an America that they thought was the true "America". A more perfect union. You may disagree with them and lord knows I do. But I don't think that makes them anti-american. > So we go back to the original question- were these associations based on > shared beliefs and friendship, or on political ambition? How about neither? Wright was not the only pastor at that church. The church was a very significant community is Obama's area. It wasn't like Wright was pretending to be the second coming of Chirst and demanding obedience from all that hear his voice. And the Ayers connection has been diffused no matter how many times you want to beat your head against it. And regardless, at the end of the day, what do you really fear? Do you honestly fear that Obama is going to put Whitey in a prison camp? Do you expect him to whip out red carpet for Russia and Iran and say "please Mr communist/facist, please come take over this country that I'm totally unprepared to run and have just been waiting to hand over because I'm an illegitimate political whore"? Step back and take a deep breathe. Judah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:276734 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
