>I would like this to be true - the last time I set up an iPod (last
>Christmas for my niece) I couldn't even figure out how to install new
>firmware without iTunes installed.  I needed to use iTunes to register the
>device and there was no way to install iTunes without making the default
>media player on the system.

Well, I expect you need to have iTunes if you have an iPod, I would not be 
surprised if there's no way around that. The question is just whether you can 
use another (better) media app as well. 

Here's the jriver forum for ipod users. There are some interesting threads in 
there about Apple trying to prevent ipod/itouch/iphone users from using 
anything but iTunes, and pretty much every new version they come out with you 
can expect will have new firmware to try to prevent the 3rd party apps from 
working. 

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=8.0




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