Who do you think are in charge of the tribes in Afghanistan? You're saying that quote "there are no moderate elements".I'm saying that you are full of shit and don't know what you are talking about. I read your email. The world is a complicated place and you don't seem to understand that. The Taliban is part of most of the tribes of Afghanistan. It is a very conservative faction. There are plenty of people that identify with parts of the Taliban teachings and do not identify with others. I didn't say anything about Muslims in general, I did not accuse you of hating them. I really don't think you do. I was specifically speaking to the tribes of Afghanistan and saying that your vitriol was ill-informed and prejudicial. You do not know what you think you know. The situation is frequently ugly and dire. I am not denying that. However, there are areas in which progress can be made. Moderates exist. Even in groups that you might tag as "Taliban".
I never said that you were against Muslims nor did I say that you were against Afghanistan. But for you to present the terrorist elements of the Swat Valley as "Taliban moderates" shows an obvious bias that has come through on any number of other posts. I don't want to see accommodation of the extremist elements of the Taliban. I want a stable, peaceful, democratic government in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I'm disheartened by the accord between the central government in Pakistan and the war lords of the Swat Valley. None the less, your charge that "there are no moderate elements" is dishonest and prejudicial and hurts the cause of trying to find common ground in the region and bring substantial lasting change. If you think I'm a dick, that's why. I want people to succeed there and I don't feel you are doing anything to contribute to that..quite the opposite in fact. Judah On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Let me start by saying you can't read shit for shit to use your own words. > My post did not say Muslims. It said Taliban. It said Hamas. It said > extremists who only operate in black and white. Extremists who have no > problem living in black and white. People who are moderate or see the world > in anything other than black and white are almost never part of these groups > and if they are they leave or are killed. Oh, and they are never anywhere > near leadership. Try reading before letting your own problems spout off at > me. This thread and my response is about diplomacy with the Taliban, NOT > WITH THE MUSLIM WORLD OR AFGANISTAN! Stop reading into what I'm saying and > instead read what I'm saying. > > Now let me ask you why you're being such a dick? This has not been the first > time when you've gone on the attack rather than read and deal with a > conversation. > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> This is why I don't take you seriously in the slightest. Everything is >> black and white to you and there is no potential room for moderates. >> Fine, you've got your cut and dried world view, please take it >> somewhere where you don't run up against the very complicated and >> greyscale actual world. One of my best friends in the world spent 2 >> years wandering from local town hall to local town hall in Afghanistan >> trying to help convince people that they ought to grow something other >> than opium poppies. And they did a surprisingly good job. And she, yes >> "she", was dealt with by the men with big beards and a sometimes >> hostile attitude. It is not a situation where everything is going to >> be sweetness and light right away. But yes, there are moderate >> elements and yes they balance religion with the needs of their people >> and even with political reality. And you don't know shit for shit >> Michael. She showed her eyes in public, she raised money for schools >> for girls in Afghanistan. Is it a perfect system? Hell no. Far far >> from it. But you? You know fuck all about the situation and are >> spouting intolerant crap with no basis in reality. Give it a rest and >> have a little respect for the people on the ground that are trying to >> make a better future. Yes, with the moderates. >> >> Judah >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Michael Dinowitz >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > And next is moderate elements of Hamas, then moderate elements of >> Hizballah, >> > then, then, then. I'm sorry to say this in a totally sweeping way but >> these >> > organizations have no moderate elements. Those that are moderate either >> > leave or are killed. >> > >> > Pakastan has dealt with the 'moderate' elements of the Taliban and you >> can >> > just do a google search on "swat valley". As you can see, these groups >> have >> > one goal and that is Islamic dominance over all. The only middle ground >> > between then and us is that we both breath air and they hate us for that. >> > Moderate to them is letting women show their eyes in public (and no, I'm >> not >> > really joking here). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:291046 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
