We'll run my Suburban into a Neon at 35 MPH and I guarantee the Suburban
will win and have a lot less damage.  Or I will t-bone it and then you
can t-bone me with another Dodge Neon (cause there won't be anything
left after I t-bone it)

Time to head home....see everyone tomorrow!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:22 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Wasteful Americans (was Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee)

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/30/02 05:50PM >>>
>>For example, most SUV owners you ask will say they are safer.
Statistics >absolutely prove this is wrong. I don't even have an airbag.

>I think you might want to reexamine those statistics. I'll find some
for
>you, but common sense tells me when I look at a SUV and if it hits a
>Dodge Neon, who is going to win?  


It depends, of course

It depends on angle of impact between the cars. It depends on whether
the car has an airbag or not.

But in general, if you look at the Car and Driver and the Insurance
Institute statistics, there are more cars that score acceptable or
better than there are SUVs. And this has been true for a long time. Can
you say Firestone? Can you say rollover?

And in a head-on with a Neon, I'd be paste on the dashboard. They might
live.

And I'd rather be in a Volvo or Dodge Minivan than a Rodeo in a side
impact crash.

I was just pointing out that many of the reasons people drive SUVs are
really marketing hype from car manufacturers. In many cases the SUVs are
actually the worst example of whatever they are touting. But they sure
blow the smoke beautifically.

Jerry Johnson

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/30/02 05:11PM >>>
> I own a Jeep, but I own a bike and a pair of shoes.
>
> I try to use all of them in their proper time and place.

Note that I have no problem with SUVs - they are useful vehicles. My
beef is
with the Proud and Wasteful consumers.

> As for the "typical American" attitude towards the environment, I
think
that is almost as much due to the messenger as the message.

LOL, Jerry, one of your fellow Americans (and mine) just said that More
is
the American Way, proudly, so its not just me that thinks so.

> I think there is a knee-jerk response to most attempts to force
environmental concerns down people's throats.

The point is that folks should care without having them forced down
their
throats.

> As soon as environmentally friendly products are as useful and as
cheap as
their "dirty" counterparts, people will switch in droves.

Not really - the vehicle trend now is towards ridiculously large.  How
many
people need all the room a suburban has?

> Asking people to give up their way of living for "the greater good" I
feel
is not taking basic human nature into account.

I think then, we need to overcome our basic human nature and teach our
kids
to care about each other and the planet.

> And we need to start selling environmentally friendly products as
PRODUCTS, and not tacking on a politically-correct "green" tax.

What specifically are you speaking to here?





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