I didn't call Ted Kennedy a hero, you did. I have never used the
phrase about him and doubt I ever will. I think he was a good guy and
I think he spent a lifetime trying to do good by people. That doesn't
make him a hero though, that's what I want from everyone. I called him
the American Hero because you were using it so dismissively. You were
trolling and so I threw it right back in your face.

And yeah, if he had a different last night, I bet he probably would
have been treated differently. I was the first one to write in to this
list about Ted Kennedy and I specifically said he had some serious
flaws in his life and probably caused the death of a woman. Straight
up.

Do I think that makes his decades of service any less important or
worthwhile? Nope. Do I think that puts him in the same league as a
punk who tortures animals for fun and profit and gets idolized for
ridiculous game? Nope.

Ted Kennedy was no saint. I think he was a pretty good man though. You
want to talk about the pros and cons of his life and legacy, don't
start by trolling.

Judah

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hero? Really?  Ted Kennedy is a 'hero'? I guess the bar for the 'hero'
> label has been lowered quite a bit.
>
> I will not try to take away anything from the man's service to the
> people of Massachusetts, but I think calling him a 'hero' is
> stretching it quite a bit.
>
> I love it, Teddy not only gets a pass for Chappaquiddick but is
> labeled a 'hero', but Mike Vick doesn't even seem to deserve a second
> chance or the opportunity to try and makes things better for others.
>
> I'd be willing to bet the money Vick makes as an athlete pales in
> comparison to the money Teddy made as a politician. I would also be
> willing to bet that if the man who drove that car off the Dike Bridge
> had a different last name, the outcome would have been quite a bit
> different.
>
> Sadly, I would have expected a bit more insight from you Judah.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Judah McAuley<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Actually a lot of people think that a woman died in murky
>> circumstances in which an American Hero's judgment is certainly at
>> fault. And many of those people think that the person convicted of
>> breeding and torturing animals deliberately over a period of years for
>> profit and "sport" is more of a sick fuck than someone who fucked up
>> in his youth through negligence rather than malice. And some of those
>> people think that the American Hero spent the rest of his life trying
>> to make things better for every single person in the country and the
>> other dude is spending his time making a fortune playing with a ball.
>>
>> Yes, I'm guilty of rank hypocrisy. Got a problem with that do you Scott?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Scott Stroz<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> A lot of the same people who think a man convicted of dog fighting,
>>> who served a prison term, should not be able to get a job in his
>>> chosen profession also think that a man who killed a woman, and never
>>> went to jail, is an 'American Hero'
>>>
>>> --
>>> Scott Stroz
>>
>>
>
> 

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