well yeah some of the coverage must seem puke-inducing to you. Hang in there, it's almost over -- the funeral is today isn't it? But I am with Judah. The guy was nowhere near perfect, but! He is said to have been one of the Senate's best negociators. One of the people most noted for eliciting consensus is no longer on the public scene. And you don't think that's a loss?
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > When I used the word 'hero', it was because I have seen him called a > 'hero' in some news articles. > > I wonder how people would feel if Michael Vick drove his car off a > bridge that resulted in the death of a woman and Ted Kennedy was into > dog fighting. Honestly, I think the prison terms and public opinion > towards both would be no different. > > I think what Vick did was despicable. I think what Kennedy did that > night on the Dike Bridge was despicable. Yet, Vick does not seem > worthy of a second chance to many people (from your comments, I think > its safe to assume you are one of those people). I wonder why that > is. > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Judah McAuley<[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > I didn't call Ted Kennedy a hero, you did. I have never used the > > phrase about him and doubt I ever will. I think he was a good guy and > > I think he spent a lifetime trying to do good by people. That doesn't > > make him a hero though, that's what I want from everyone. I called him > > the American Hero because you were using it so dismissively. You were > > trolling and so I threw it right back in your face. > > > > And yeah, if he had a different last night, I bet he probably would > > have been treated differently. I was the first one to write in to this > > list about Ted Kennedy and I specifically said he had some serious > > flaws in his life and probably caused the death of a woman. Straight > > up. > > > > Do I think that makes his decades of service any less important or > > worthwhile? Nope. Do I think that puts him in the same league as a > > punk who tortures animals for fun and profit and gets idolized for > > ridiculous game? Nope. > > > > Ted Kennedy was no saint. I think he was a pretty good man though. You > > want to talk about the pros and cons of his life and legacy, don't > > start by trolling. > > > > Judah > > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hero? Really? Ted Kennedy is a 'hero'? I guess the bar for the 'hero' > >> label has been lowered quite a bit. > >> > >> I will not try to take away anything from the man's service to the > >> people of Massachusetts, but I think calling him a 'hero' is > >> stretching it quite a bit. > >> > >> I love it, Teddy not only gets a pass for Chappaquiddick but is > >> labeled a 'hero', but Mike Vick doesn't even seem to deserve a second > >> chance or the opportunity to try and makes things better for others. > >> > >> I'd be willing to bet the money Vick makes as an athlete pales in > >> comparison to the money Teddy made as a politician. I would also be > >> willing to bet that if the man who drove that car off the Dike Bridge > >> had a different last name, the outcome would have been quite a bit > >> different. > >> > >> Sadly, I would have expected a bit more insight from you Judah. > >> > >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Judah McAuley<[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Actually a lot of people think that a woman died in murky > >>> circumstances in which an American Hero's judgment is certainly at > >>> fault. And many of those people think that the person convicted of > >>> breeding and torturing animals deliberately over a period of years for > >>> profit and "sport" is more of a sick fuck than someone who fucked up > >>> in his youth through negligence rather than malice. And some of those > >>> people think that the American Hero spent the rest of his life trying > >>> to make things better for every single person in the country and the > >>> other dude is spending his time making a fortune playing with a ball. > >>> > >>> Yes, I'm guilty of rank hypocrisy. Got a problem with that do you > Scott? > >>> > >>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Scott Stroz<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> A lot of the same people who think a man convicted of dog fighting, > >>>> who served a prison term, should not be able to get a job in his > >>>> chosen profession also think that a man who killed a woman, and never > >>>> went to jail, is an 'American Hero' > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Scott Stroz > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:303124 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
