Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up  
thy bed, and walk? 5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was:  
for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.  
5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him,  
Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto  
thee.

This is the book you're getting your morality from?  Jesus is accusing  
the man of having sinned so that why he was handicapped?

bah...the bible bounces back and forth from a loving god to one that  
will abandon you if you don't worship the right way.  Is that our  
morality?  If your son or daughter f's up bad, severs all ties to you  
and acts like a general p.o.s. what are the chances you'll say "Oh  
well, I tried"....probably minimal.  You're going to keep trying to  
get you kid back on track and find them help.

on a related note....this part of the story has never made any sense  
to me.  If god is so great and powerful, why the heck didn't he make  
us have everlasting life to begin with?  Then, since he didn't, why  
would he have to sacrifice his son to give it to us?  Who was he  
sacrificing to?  There's not supposed to be anything greater than  
him....



On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:

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> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:20 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote:
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>> Hhm, really? What or who determines what is right or wrong?
>> Certainly the Nazis thought they were right when they exterminated
>> the Jews and tried to take over the rest of the world. But clearly
>> most of us would think that was wrong. Likewise today Iran thinks
>> they are right to bomb Israel off the face of the earth, but most of
>> us would think that is wrong. Humans have a morality that goes
>> beyond what we typically see in nature (kill or be killed) and that
>> seems to have little to do with our personal survival, it's an
>> interesting question to consider why we have that and where it truly
>> comes from, if *not* from religion or spirituality.
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> I think you're discounting nature's morality by boiling it down to
> kill or be killed.  There are plenty of pack animals that protect each
> other.  Mother animals care for their young.  Gorilla's care for their
> "tribe".  Dogs will face down someone who attacks their owner.  Etc.
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