>5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him,  
>Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto  
>thee.
>This is the book you're getting your morality from?  Jesus is accusing  
>the man of having sinned so that why he was handicapped?

One has to look at the overall teachings and not make wide assumptions from one 
passage. The teachings of Jesus (and the bible as a whole) clearly state that 
we are never to assume that someone's sufferings are due to sin. That does not 
however mean that a person's individual suffering is not due to their own 
faults and sin. In this case, earlier the man tells Jesus that no one would 
help him down to the pool to be healed. One can only guess at what about this 
man has made others so unwilling to help him. So it's easy to infer here that 
Jesus is warning him against further activities that will cause him pain in his 
life. 


>bah...the bible bounces back and forth from a loving god to one that  
>will abandon you if you don't worship the right way. 

Again, you obviously have not studied the Bible very well, as this is quite the 
opposite of its teachings. God never abandons us, it is we who are always the 
ones that break away from him. 


>If your son or daughter f's up bad, severs all ties to you  
>and acts like a general p.o.s. what are the chances you'll say "Oh  
>well, I tried"....probably minimal.  You're going to keep trying to  
>get you kid back on track and find them help.

And that's exactly the God described in the Bible. 


>on a related note....this part of the story has never made any sense  
>to me.  If god is so great and powerful, why the heck didn't he make  
>us have everlasting life to begin with?  Then, since he didn't, why  
>would he have to sacrifice his son to give it to us?  Who was he  
>sacrificing to?  There's not supposed to be anything greater than  
>him....

Well, I'm not sure I want to get into this serious of a theological argument. 
But first, God *did* give us everlasting life to begin with. We introduced sin 
into the picture and broke his original plan for us. 

To explain the sacrifice and why it was needed is something others probably are 
far better at doing than I am. But basically, when a wrong has been committed, 
someone always pays, or the relationship is never mended. Let's say someone has 
hurt a family member of yours. You have two choices....to either make the other 
person pay for it or to try and forgive them. Is there not a painful sacrifice 
to make in deciding to simply forgive? It is heart-wrenching, painful and 
difficult to do. It's important to remember that the Christian theology is not 
that God sacrificed his son...Jesus was God incarnate. Thus God was sacrificing 
himself...just as a parent might sacrifice themselves to save their children of 
having to go through the pain themselves. It's one of the central tenants of 
Christianity and certainly one that is both challenging, and awe-inspiring to 
understand. 

--- Mary Jo


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