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> > I'm not sure what a "non-religious" Christian is. You can't be a
> Christian and be "non-religious" since Christianity *is* a religion.
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I think he means "Pious Christians"

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> >But you needn't be religious nor spiritual to be guilty and/or know
> >the difference between right and wrong.
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> Hhm, really? What or who determines what is right or wrong? Certainly the
> Nazis thought they were right when they exterminated the Jews and tried to
> take over the rest of the world. But clearly most of us would think that was
> wrong. Likewise today Iran thinks they are right to bomb Israel off the face
> of the earth, but most of us would think that is wrong. Humans have a
> morality that goes beyond what we typically see in nature (kill or be
> killed) and that seems to have little to do with our personal survival, it's
> an interesting question to consider why we have that and where it truly
> comes from, if *not* from religion or spirituality.
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> >After all, we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are
> >created equal.
> >
> >Sounds like Ben was on Thomas' side rather than John's.
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> Again, huh? The gospel of John certainly teaches that we are all
> equal....we are all equally sinners and all equally saved. Equality is
> absolutely a tenant of Christianity, even if it is one that many find *very*
> hard to truly understand and follow. There's a tendency to swing from
> feeling guilty for sinning and failing to do what God wants, to doing lots
> of good, helping people out, etc. and feeling self-righteous and better than
> others. Both are equally false but very, very common failings.
>
> --- Mary Jo
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