Oh I am sure he would burn me at the stake if he had the chance. Just...saying.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Scott Stewart <[email protected]> wrote: > > The thing that got me about the original article is that the Mullah in > question seems to advocate consummating the marriage, which in the US would > probably get him shot, and buried head down in an unmarked grave facing as > far away from Mecca as he could get. > > He's an extremist, but like most extremists he has a loud mouth and will say > almost anything to get attention... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:15 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: WTF?!?! > > > I don't claim to have studied the matter of this marriage. But I am > just pointing out, as devil's advocate, that it is quite possible to > marry someone without sex entering into the equation. And that this > was frequently done, in several cultures, especially in noble or royal > families. > > It's not something the Muslim world invented. > > And now I need to say for the record that naturally I do not believe > that sex would do any nine-year-old any good. > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Scott Stewart > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I dunno, Dana. I think there's a huge difference between betrothal or >> arranged marriages and what appears to be the defense of sex with a nine >> year old girl. >> >> The first being done throughout history and the second being >> abhorrent,repulsive not to mention illegal in all of the civilized world. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:50 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: WTF?!?! >> >> >> ummmm. I should so not get involved in this, but.... that would be >> islamic law of the islamic religion founded by mohammed, right? So the >> law would not have been written yet it seems? >> >> Just saying. And while I am saying, marriage in those times requires >> a) a ceremony and b) consummation. I just finished reading a book >> about that 9-year-old (The Jewel of Medina, 2008) that says the >> marriage was political and not consummated until years later. But ok, >> let's suppose that this point was not as well researched as the rest >> of the novel. >> >> After all it is not as though any other cultures have historically >> allowed such things. Hmm? >> >> http://preview.tinyurl.com/yzckc86 >> >> According to this, Mary Queen of Scots was betrothed at the age of five: >> http://englishhistory.net/tudor/relative/maryqoschronology.html >> >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:27 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> According to muslim law woman are not permitted to be married until they >> are >>> old enough to menstruate. >>> >>> No 9 year old should be having sex, by choice or otherwise. Period. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:14 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: WTF?!?! >>> >>> >>> My "objective truth" is based on whether or not an individual is being >>> harmed. In the U.S., I can't imagine too many scenarios where an 18 year >>> old screwing a 9 year old girl would not, in some way, harm the girl. >> Even >>> if the girl was in agreement, there would be emotional and psychological >>> harm caused because of the culture she is in. >>> >>> Contrast this to the middle east where this might be the norm for young >>> girls. If the girl is sexually active and it is not harming her and she >> is >>> in agreement, then I would not interfere. >>> >>> What do you base your objective truth on? >>> >>> >>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 2:26 PM, G Money wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> All of this is a question of cultural relativism. >>>> >>>> Either you believe that there exist some objective moral truths...or you >>>> don't. >>>> >>>> "respect their culture" is an important, valid concern...but is it >>> absolute? >>>> Most would agree that it is not.....and yet we are reluctant to admit >> that >>>> we believe in "objective moral truths". >>>> >>>> For instance.....I would admit to believing that a man over 18 years old >>>> should not be screwing a 9 year old girl...no matter the culture. Thus I >>>> believe in an objective truth that transcends and supersedes cultural >>> norms. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> exactly. >>>>> >>>>> I'm just stating, in Mike's eyes, I must be an apologist because I > don't >>>>> want to impose my culture on them, but he probably wouldn't call my >>> analog >>>>> in the islamic world an apologist. >>>>> >>>>> It all depends on whose values you think are qualified to be imposed on >>>>> others. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:51 PM, LRS Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think they are trying to do? >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:45 PM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: WTF?!?! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> you know, it's a two way street....they could always impose their >>>>> cultural >>>>>> values on us. >>>>>> >>>>>> of course, you wouldn't call Saudi's who said "respect their culture >> and >>>>>> don't impose our cultural values on them" apologists then would you? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not really understanding your disbelief. This is nothing new. Not >>>>>>> only has it been going on for ages, but it's been in the news for >>>>>>> years as well. OK, not the mainstream news, but... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He's not a freak or anyone in the extreme. This feeling can be heard >>>>>>> from the tip of Africa to the top of Egypt to Saudi Arabia and more. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just use the apologists response - "respect their culture and don't >>>>>>> impose our cultural values on them". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Larry C. Lyons >> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saudi Cleric Muhammad Musa Al-Sharif Defends the Marrying Off of >>>>>>>> Under-Age Girls in Saudi Arabia: Atheists, Christians, and >> Fornicators >>>>>>>> Are Responsible for Human Rights Treaties >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/2399.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Larry C. Lyons >>>>>>>> web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons >>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do. >>>>>>>> - B. F. Skinner - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:312727 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
