No that's a Christian thing. You'd get stoned, and not in the nice way... On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh I am sure he would burn me at the stake if he had the chance. > Just...saying. > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Scott Stewart > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The thing that got me about the original article is that the Mullah in >> question seems to advocate consummating the marriage, which in the US would >> probably get him shot, and buried head down in an unmarked grave facing as >> far away from Mecca as he could get. >> >> He's an extremist, but like most extremists he has a loud mouth and will say >> almost anything to get attention... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:15 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: WTF?!?! >> >> >> I don't claim to have studied the matter of this marriage. But I am >> just pointing out, as devil's advocate, that it is quite possible to >> marry someone without sex entering into the equation. And that this >> was frequently done, in several cultures, especially in noble or royal >> families. >> >> It's not something the Muslim world invented. >> >> And now I need to say for the record that naturally I do not believe >> that sex would do any nine-year-old any good. >> >> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Scott Stewart >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I dunno, Dana. I think there's a huge difference between betrothal or >>> arranged marriages and what appears to be the defense of sex with a nine >>> year old girl. >>> >>> The first being done throughout history and the second being >>> abhorrent,repulsive not to mention illegal in all of the civilized world. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:50 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: WTF?!?! >>> >>> >>> ummmm. I should so not get involved in this, but.... that would be >>> islamic law of the islamic religion founded by mohammed, right? So the >>> law would not have been written yet it seems? >>> >>> Just saying. And while I am saying, marriage in those times requires >>> a) a ceremony and b) consummation. I just finished reading a book >>> about that 9-year-old (The Jewel of Medina, 2008) that says the >>> marriage was political and not consummated until years later. But ok, >>> let's suppose that this point was not as well researched as the rest >>> of the novel. >>> >>> After all it is not as though any other cultures have historically >>> allowed such things. Hmm? >>> >>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/yzckc86 >>> >>> According to this, Mary Queen of Scots was betrothed at the age of five: >>> http://englishhistory.net/tudor/relative/maryqoschronology.html >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:27 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> According to muslim law woman are not permitted to be married until they >>> are >>>> old enough to menstruate. >>>> >>>> No 9 year old should be having sex, by choice or otherwise. Period. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:14 PM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: WTF?!?! >>>> >>>> >>>> My "objective truth" is based on whether or not an individual is being >>>> harmed. In the U.S., I can't imagine too many scenarios where an 18 year >>>> old screwing a 9 year old girl would not, in some way, harm the girl. >>> Even >>>> if the girl was in agreement, there would be emotional and psychological >>>> harm caused because of the culture she is in. >>>> >>>> Contrast this to the middle east where this might be the norm for young >>>> girls. If the girl is sexually active and it is not harming her and she >>> is >>>> in agreement, then I would not interfere. >>>> >>>> What do you base your objective truth on? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 2:26 PM, G Money wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> All of this is a question of cultural relativism. >>>>> >>>>> Either you believe that there exist some objective moral truths...or you >>>>> don't. >>>>> >>>>> "respect their culture" is an important, valid concern...but is it >>>> absolute? >>>>> Most would agree that it is not.....and yet we are reluctant to admit >>> that >>>>> we believe in "objective moral truths". >>>>> >>>>> For instance.....I would admit to believing that a man over 18 years old >>>>> should not be screwing a 9 year old girl...no matter the culture. Thus I >>>>> believe in an objective truth that transcends and supersedes cultural >>>> norms. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> exactly. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm just stating, in Mike's eyes, I must be an apologist because I >> don't >>>>>> want to impose my culture on them, but he probably wouldn't call my >>>> analog >>>>>> in the islamic world an apologist. >>>>>> >>>>>> It all depends on whose values you think are qualified to be imposed on >>>>>> others. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:51 PM, LRS Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you think they are trying to do? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:45 PM >>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>> Subject: Re: WTF?!?! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> you know, it's a two way street....they could always impose their >>>>>> cultural >>>>>>> values on us. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> of course, you wouldn't call Saudi's who said "respect their culture >>> and >>>>>>> don't impose our cultural values on them" apologists then would you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not really understanding your disbelief. This is nothing new. Not >>>>>>>> only has it been going on for ages, but it's been in the news for >>>>>>>> years as well. OK, not the mainstream news, but... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He's not a freak or anyone in the extreme. This feeling can be heard >>>>>>>> from the tip of Africa to the top of Egypt to Saudi Arabia and more. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just use the apologists response - "respect their culture and don't >>>>>>>> impose our cultural values on them". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Larry C. Lyons >>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saudi Cleric Muhammad Musa Al-Sharif Defends the Marrying Off of >>>>>>>>> Under-Age Girls in Saudi Arabia: Atheists, Christians, and >>> Fornicators >>>>>>>>> Are Responsible for Human Rights Treaties >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/2399.htm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Larry C. Lyons >>>>>>>>> web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons >>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do. >>>>>>>>> - B. F. Skinner - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > >
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