oh and the link for that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_17

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote:
> re highway 17:
>
> SR 17's combination of narrow shoulders, dense traffic, sharp turns,
> blind curves, wandering fauna such as deer and mountain lions, and
> sudden changes in traffic speeds have led to driving conditions that
> result in a number of accidents and fatalities, leading to the
> reputation of Highway 17 as one of the most dangerous highways in the
> state. In the winter months, because Highway 17 crosses a high
> precipitation area in the Santa Cruz Mountains, the roadway can become
> slippery from rain, snow or ice, especially at the summit itself.
>
> Some sections of 17 are so dangerous that they have been nicknamed.
> The first long sweeping turn North of Summit Road with its sharp angle
> and steep entering downhill slope is called "The Valley Surprise" for
> the fact that so many strike the median shortly after having entered
> the Santa Clara Valley. The most infamous is called "Big Moody Curve".
> This curve is named after Big Moody Creek below, slightly greater than
> a 180 degree turn, and bracketed by additional 90 degree turns. The
> inside surfaces of the median barriers in both of these turns are
> normally chipped up and black with tire rubber.
> --snip--
> Route 17 in Santa Cruz County is named after California Highway Patrol
> Lieutenant Michael Walker. Walker was setting flares to direct traffic
> around an auto accident on News Years Eve 2005 when he was struck and
> killed[6]. Partly in response to this accident near the Glenwood Road
> intersection, Caltrans began work in 2008 to widen the shoulder to
> eight feet[7].
>
> The cost of improving the treacherous expressway segment to modern
> freeway standards has been estimated to be at least $200 million.
>
> ======
>
> I say: smoke em if you got em, especially if it improves this kind of stuff
>
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Cameron Childress <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> really? California is a very strange place.
>>
>> Yes it is.  In good ways and in bad ways.
>>
>> -Cameron
>>
>> ...
>>
>> 

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