Then why are you bringing up Hamas? The fact of the matter is that this was an illegal action and unarmed civilians died as a result. The whole blockade is an illegal action in itself.
-----Original Message----- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 4:00 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international waters. That does not matter. They were trying to break a declared blockade. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > The folks on this flotilla were not Hamas. Red Herring Larry... > > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:31 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international > waters. > > > They have every right. Self Defense is considered a basic right. Hamas > is determined to destroy israel and has made numerous attempts to kill > israeli civilians and soldiers. Almost every other country when faced > by a similar situation would have left the other side a smoking hole > in the earth, e.g. the US and Japan. And what does Israel do, it > blockades the Gaza in spite of the extreme provocations. So do you > think that the US should not have gone after Al Queda? Or the Germans > or Japanese 60 years ago? > > Get real Eric. You are being blinded by your ideology. > > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> What right does Israel have to blockade another sovereign nation? Just >> because they are hostile to Israel, Israel does not have the right to >> blockade them. Israel is committing war crimes. >> >> If that is true...good for that activist. The fascist bastard deserved > it. >> They should be all shot for their war crimes. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:25 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >> waters. >> >> >> Now let me get this straight. The Gaza is controlled by a government >> who is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. So they are under >> blockade by their intended target. >> >> My first point, if most other countries were faced with such a >> situation they'd nuke the place until it glows and shoot the survivors >> in the dark. Prime examples of countries that have done this or are >> willing to do so include the US, most of Europe, China, Japan and >> India. >> >> What does Israel do instead, they blockade all war and dual use >> imports, attacking Gaza only after severe provocation. That's pretty >> darned restrained. >> >> Hamas has refused international monitoring of how the dual use >> products will be used. So what guarantee is there that the concrete >> won't be used for strong points and hardened defensive positions? >> Moreover there are more than a few dual use products that can also be >> used for short range missiles, explosives, fuses etc. >> >> Israel has offered more than a few times to lift the blockade, if >> Hamas rescinds its declaration to destroy Israel. >> >> Another point, the activists said that they were not armed but would >> physically defend themselves. even with Kevlar helmets and body >> armour, an ax can still kill. There is evidence that a rifle was >> seized from a soldier who was then shot by his own rifle. The report >> that two pistols were captured has also been confirmed. >> >> It would seem therefore that the peace activists were not as peaceful >> as they advertised. >> >> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/may/31/israel-troops-gaza-ships >>> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10196585.stm >>> >>> The flotilla was reported in the news for a few weeks now. They were >>> heading to Gaza with humanitarian aid and supplies. Apparently things >>> are absolutely terrible in that area, humanitarian aid is not getting >>> through. >>> The flotilla contains many leading peace activists, journalists and >>> photographers. >>> >>> All unarmed. >>> >>> A nobel laureate is also onboard one of the ships. >>> >>> In a military styled pre-dawn raid commandos abseiled onto the vessels >>> in full military gear.They first jammed all communication from the >>> vessels. Somehow over 16 civilians were shot, including leading human >>> rights representatives, Swedish citizens, British citizens and >>> Australians. >>> What is known is that the flotilla altered course to avoid a >>> confrontation with the Israeli vessels in international waters and was >>> pursued then boarded. >>> >>> Israel initially reported that their crack military troops were >>> attacked with clubs and knives, therefore requiring a response with >>> automatic fire into groups of civilians. Their story then changed to >>> say that their crack military commandos had two pistols stolen from >>> them...and then came under fire. >>> >>> Israel argues that the purpose of the flotilla was not aid, but was "a >>> provocation intended to de-legitimise Israel" >>> >>> And this is a country that HAS nuclear weapons (and refuses to declare >>> them and have them inspected). >>> >>> But then this isn't the first time, and it surely won't be the last >>> that Israel thumbs its nose at the rest of the world and tells them >>> all to f*** off. >>> As long as Big Brother America is standing just over their shoulder >>> they will continue to act with impunity. >>> >>> I wonder what the Obama administration will do now, if they can do >>> anything at all. >>> >>> This is abhorrent. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:319797 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
