a quick google seems to indicate that people are still discussing this -- it
wouldn't be science if they weren't -- but that it's still the standard
model of an event horizon.

I'd have to put more work into being completely sure of that than I am
willing to do, however.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote:

> But you can't. I have not studied this in a while but I doubt this point
> has changed -- an event horizon is a limit, used here in the mathematical
> sense of the word. Anything that goes encounters it goes *in* and there's no
> way to perceive it from the outside after that, because of the nature of the
> process of perception.
>
> This going-inward-ness can be visualized -- and the professor did show my
> physics class something that demonstrated this -- but the proof is
> mathematical not empirical.
>
> I looked for a link that shows this, but everything I found assumes
> knowledge of calculus. My recollection though supports the statement that a
> limit that goes to infinity like that will get closer and closer to zero but
> never reach it. There is no limit to the number of digits that can go after
> a decimal point after all.
>
> Empirical evidence would require that something measurable return out. It
> doesn't because there is no end to a limit. Cosmology is another area where
> mathematical proofs may exist but empirical evidence cannot.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> You're getting closer, if you could test and prove it it would be a law.
>>
>> .
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > You're very caught up on proven theory vs extrapolated theory.
>> >
>> > Hawings theories are not proven they're extrapolated from general
>> relativity.  An example is his theory on the event horizons of black holes.
>>  Pretty tough to test that right?  You can't go out to the nearest Black
>> hole, toss something in there and measure what happens.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> 

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