So here's what's concerning me: we keep making things that should be illegal 
legal and then say it's ok.

Examples:

* current financial legislation.  Sam's right: these guys are fraudulent.  
Whatever the law is is a matter of legislation.

* Killing Americans without due process on foreign soil with drones no less.  
Oh.  Right.  Field of battle.  Seems like the first victim of that war was the 
constitution then.  Have we invaded ourselves first?



On Oct 19, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> ah see you didn't spell that out about the speaking fees. If true -- I
> always have to tack that caveat on because of your sources -- but if
> true, ya, that sounds pretty corrupt.
> 
> And don't get me wrong, I think corruption is there. But fraud is a
> very specific word. More precise and more measured statements improve
> the signal to noise ratio.
> 
> But we're off in a corner quibbling about definitions. These guys are
> not the problem. They are a symptom of the problem. They are *a*
> problem but only a manifestation of the current inequities.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> forgetting to pay your taxes?
>> 
>> Tax fraud. But in his case it was probably an honest mistake. The only
>> person I ever heard of that "forgot" to pay taxes.
>> 
>> Speaking fees to the firms that you gave money to in the form of TARP
>> funds weeks or months later. There's is a slight chance that that too
>> was an honest coincidence with about the same odds as forgetting to
>> pay taxes.
>> 
>> There were a lot more charges passed about with connection to AIG and
>> the Merril Lynch / Bank of America  merger.
>> 
>> I'm just scratching the surface. Not saying they're guilty, just that
>> if anyone is it's likely them.
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> Getting speaking fees? Um. I agree that
>>> it smells bad but I don't think you actually have the makings of a
>>> fraud case. Not in what you are saying here. Don't get the idea that
>>> I'm defending these guys, mind you. Consider this peer review ;) you
>>> have not backed up your assertions.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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