Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>>But in terms of the modern State of Israel, the West Bank was not part of
>>the original borders.
> 
> Actually, it was. It was seized by egypt during the first war and held onto until 
>the last one. Of course, egypt never built a palestinian state on the land. 

Was it? I thought it was left by the British as "mandate area" (whatever 
that may be) in 1948, just as the Gaza strip was.

But regardless of that, don't the people that live there have certain 
rights, such as the right to choose their representation for a sovereign 
government?


>>I will not dispute the necessity of the Six Days' War in 1967 for the
>>survival of Israel against attack after attack by its Arab neighbors. I
>>will not dispute the right of the State of Israel to live within secure,
>>defensible borders.
>>
>>However, the existence of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, in land the
>>Palestinians think of as their homeland and hopefully state, is undeniably
>>a tremendous irritant to the Arabs, as is the presence of the Israeli
>>military, seen by them as an occupying army of a colonial power.
> 
> Again, when we tried to give it back all we got was the current oslo war. 

All? Or just the part where there were no concentrations of settlements 
anyway?


> And what will Israel do then? It's still at war with lebanon and its master syria. 
>There are still attacks over the UN declaired border on almost a daily basis. One 
>such attack that was observed by the UN resulted in the kidnapping of 3 israeli 
>citizens and the UNs response was to cover up their part in it all. 
> But lets say that Israel pulls up all (or most) of the settlemenst and a palestinian 
>state comes into effect. They keep attacking Israel because that's the 'second step. 
>Israel invades this terrorist nation and what will be the result? World condomnation. 
>All Israel wants is for the palestinian state to be created and not be a threat. If 
>the arabs (and I say all of them) can't stop killing Jews for just a week, then how 
>can we trust them to stop later?

The problem is that Israel only occupied the territories and never made 
the next obvious step. Annexate the territories, give everybody who 
lives there citizenship and handle it internally. Israel has my blessing.

It would of course require certain amendments, for instance a separation 
between religion and state in the constitution, equal treatment of both 
ethnic groups etc., but it seems reasonable to me.
It is how it has always worked in Europe. Germany annexating parts of 
France and vice-versa, France and Spain, Germany and Poland, the 
Netherlands and Germany, Austria and Italy etc. etc. etc.

Jochem

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