> Michael Dinowitz wrote: > >> > >>Was it? I thought it was left by the British as "mandate area" (whatever > >>that may be) in 1948, just as the Gaza strip was. > > > > Of the british mandate, 80% went to become jordan which has a massive palestinian >population. Gaza was part of that 20%. > > But the Gaza strip was occupied on June 5, 1967 by Israel, even before > Jordan entered the conflict between Egypt and Israel. Right? Gaza is right on the border with Egypt. The same border as the Sinai which was given over to Egypt for peace. (the weapons smuggling from Egypt is a violation of that oeace). > > > >>But regardless of that, don't the people that live there have certain > >>rights, such as the right to choose their representation for a sovereign > >>government? > > > > Yes they do, but if they are attacking the citizens of another location, that >other location has the right to stop the attacks. > > But with exercising that right come certain responsibilities. Yes. Protecting your citizins. Remember Jenin and the 'world' report on a massacre. It turns out that Israel did not cause one and those killed were almost all combatants. The responsability is to not target civilians. Israel is doing great with that. > > Again, I say that Israel would give it over to the palestinians if they would just >live up to their signed agreements and stop the attacks. > > You are assuming that the people that sign the agreements are the same > people that do the attacks, or at the very least are in a position to > stop those attacks. I doubt that, considering that not even Israel is in > a position to stop those attacks. Arafat signed the agreement, Arafat is paying for the attacks and not having his people stop them. When 17 people were murdered on a bus going to work, the chief of palestinian security said in english publically that they would not do anything to stop the attacks. They're supposed to by signed agreement. If the people who sign an agreement can't be trusted to fulfil it then it's not worth being signed.
> BTW, transscripts of the talks that took place in Camp David when > Clinton tried his last shot at being famous for something else as he is > now suggest otherwise. There are additional issues, such as the faith of > East Jerusalem, especially certain places of religious interest, and "no > mans land". Lets see. The holiest place in Judaism, third holiness in Islam and the arabs don't want us to have any access to it. Screw that. We've already seen what they do to our holy sites when they destroyed Josephs tomb. > >>>Again, when we tried to give it back all we got was the current oslo war. > >> > >>All? Or just the part where there were no concentrations of settlements > >>anyway? > > > > All as in all we got was the war, not all as in all the territory. No where does >it say we have to give it all back. > > That just depends on who you are asking. I'm quoting those who wrote the resolution. > > Isn't occupying a certain area, even with the best intentions, an > invitation for violence against you? You may have the right to occupy a > certain territory, but if you don't like the reaction, maybe it is wiser > not to do so. Israel's existance is an invitation to violance from the arab world. It doesn't matter what land is taken, given or what. Until the arabs decide to stop attacking and start accepting Israel's existance, the entire argument is moot. > > >>The problem is that Israel only occupied the territories and never made > >>the next obvious step. Annexate the territories, give everybody who > >>lives there citizenship and handle it internally. Israel has my blessing. > > > > And if they did that and the attacks still went on, what then? > > Handle it the same way as the US handled the Oklahoma bombing. Right. Find those who are responsable and kill them. > Jochem > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
