Don't mind me. I'm just in a mood while doing all this stuff on the back end. CFComet is getting up, the archives are being finished (w/search) and more. I'll be in a wishful thinking mood later. :)
> Michael, > > You made some very good, thought-provoking points. > I'm apparently speaking in more of a naive, wishful-thinking mode, you in a > more pragmatic one. > <sigh> > -Ben > > > At 03:06 PM 6/9/02 -0400, you wrote: > >> > >> But in terms of the modern State of Israel, the West Bank was not part of > >> the original borders. > >Actually, it was. It was seized by egypt during the first war and held > onto until the last one. Of course, egypt never built a palestinian state > on the land. > >> Had the Arabs decided to "leave the Jews alone", as you so aptly put it, > >> end of problem <ha>. > >basically. > >> > >> I will not dispute the necessity of the Six Days' War in 1967 for the > >> survival of Israel against attack after attack by its Arab neighbors. I > >> will not dispute the right of the State of Israel to live within secure, > >> defensible borders. > >> > >> However, the existence of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, in land the > >> Palestinians think of as their homeland and hopefully state, is undeniably > >> a tremendous irritant to the Arabs, as is the presence of the Israeli > >> military, seen by them as an occupying army of a colonial power. > >Again, when we tried to give it back all we got was the current oslo war. > > > >> Much smarter people than I have yet to find a solution to this. But my gut > >> level feeling is that there will have to be "some" border, wherever it is > >> drawn, beyond which there are *no* Jewish settlements. None. And then any > >> violent incursions across that border into the State of Israel by Arabs > >> would be both de facto and de jure acts of war. > >And what will Israel do then? It's still at war with lebanon and its > master syria. There are still attacks over the UN declaired border on > almost a daily basis. One such attack that was observed by the UN resulted > in the kidnapping of 3 israeli citizens and the UNs response was to cover > up their part in it all. > >But lets say that Israel pulls up all (or most) of the settlemenst and a > palestinian state comes into effect. They keep attacking Israel because > that's the 'second step. Israel invades this terrorist nation and what will > be the result? World condomnation. All Israel wants is for the palestinian > state to be created and not be a threat. If the arabs (and I say all of > them) can't stop killing Jews for just a week, then how can we trust them > to stop later? > >Actions have to back up their words. > >> > >> -Ben > >> > >> > >> > >> At 02:35 PM 6/9/02 -0400, you wrote: > >> >>It took my country 400 years to decide that colonies are not worth it. I > >> >>hope the people of Israel make up their mind faster. > >> > > >> >Israel's not a colonizer, and it never has been. I hope it takes the > Arabs > >> >less time to decide to leave the Jews alone. They've been trying to > kill us > >> >for at least 1400 years. > >> > > >> >Judith > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
