Deir Yassin - most of the people killed were civilians. According to what I read, many were killed execution style. Assassination of 2 peace negotiators. The Lehi negotiated with the Nazis and attempted to ally with them.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Michael Dinowitz <[email protected]> wrote: > > I would not use the term radical but I would use the term terrorist. > The Irgun started as a retaliatory organization to instill terror in > those who targeted Jews. The British were not protecting Jews in the > area so the Irgun took an 'eye for an eye' approach. They did not > initiate violence till later in their existence and that violence > mainly targeted the British government that was in control of the area > at the time. > > The term atrocity is a totally loaded one and its use is debatable in > reference to the Irgun. The bombing of the King David Hotel (the > center of British government control of the area) was accompanied by > multiple warnings to which were ignored. The truth of Deir Yassin is > so convoluted between scholarship of facts, of politics, of > propaganda, and of 'alternate' views that it can barely be used in any > clear conversation. > > I'm not going into the British double standards that helped breed the > Irgun. Too similar to what is still happening. > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Haganah was formed in the 20's after the anti-Jewish riots in Palestine. >> They were primarily defensive, protecting jewish settlements. After the war >> of independence in 1948 they became the IDF. The Irgun was a radical >> splinter group that left the Haganah in the early 30's. They fit more >> within the mold of a terrorist group using assassinations, kidnapping and >> bombings to try and achive independence. During 1944 the Haganah with the >> cooperation of the British went to war with the Irgun. BTW there was an >> Arab batallion in the Haganah. The last group the Lehi or Stern Gang was >> even more radical than the Irgun. Even though the 3 groups reached a peace >> accord in 1945, during the war of independence the Irgun and Stern Gang >> were associated with a number of atrocities. The Haganah and Palmach were >> responsible for bringing the perpetrators to the Israeli courts after >> independence. Monachim Begen, a right wing Prime Minister of Israel was one >> of the leaders of the Irgun. >> >> Michael and Judith may have a different take on the history though. >> >> On Monday, February 27, 2012, Judah McAuley wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm really not familiar with the various groups that operated in the >>> area between the end of WWII and the declaration of statehood in 48. >>> >>> Judah >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Larry C. Lyons >>> <[email protected]<javascript:;>> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Pity she belonged to a terrorist group. Haganah I can see, but a group >>> that >>> > used terrorism and bombings on civilians, peacekeeepers and other Jewish >>> > defensive groups I find beyond the pale. At least it was not the Stern >>> Gang. >>> > >>> > On Monday, February 27, 2012, Judah McAuley wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Dr. Ruth also talks a little about her Orthodox Jewish parents. During >>> >> World War II, Westheimer was sent from Frankfurt to a children's home >>> >> in Switzerland after her father was rounded up by the Nazis; both her >>> >> parents later died in the Holocaust. She was an only child. The war >>> >> ended when she was 16. "I then went to Palestine, lived on a kibbutz, >>> >> which is a collective farm," she explains, "and then worked in the >>> >> underground movement as a sniper." (Dr. Ruth was a member of the >>> >> Zionist paramilitary group the Irgun.) "So if you don't ask me good >>> >> questions today, watch out," she teases interviewer Derek Blasberg. "I >>> >> can still put five bullets in a little red circle." >>> >> >>> >> From the article: >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://jezebel.com/5888692/exclusive-dr-ruth-is-a-trained-israeli-sniper-who-doesnt-like-to-treat-people-who-are-into-bondage >>> >> >>> >> Huh. Definitely something I did not know about Dr. Ruth. She's a >>> >> fascinating individual and damn smart. I'd love to have a drink with >>> >> her some time. >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> Judah >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:347571 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
