Before I respond to the specific points you made, I'm going to have to do more research. I do know that it was not some innocent and peaceful village with no combatants, no history of attacks, and no reason for being attacked. I especially want to look up that accusation about the Lehi negotiating with the Nazis.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: > > Deir Yassin - most of the people killed were civilians. According to > what I read, many were killed execution style. Assassination of 2 > peace negotiators. The Lehi negotiated with the Nazis and attempted to > ally with them. > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Michael Dinowitz > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I would not use the term radical but I would use the term terrorist. >> The Irgun started as a retaliatory organization to instill terror in >> those who targeted Jews. The British were not protecting Jews in the >> area so the Irgun took an 'eye for an eye' approach. They did not >> initiate violence till later in their existence and that violence >> mainly targeted the British government that was in control of the area >> at the time. >> >> The term atrocity is a totally loaded one and its use is debatable in >> reference to the Irgun. The bombing of the King David Hotel (the >> center of British government control of the area) was accompanied by >> multiple warnings to which were ignored. The truth of Deir Yassin is >> so convoluted between scholarship of facts, of politics, of >> propaganda, and of 'alternate' views that it can barely be used in any >> clear conversation. >> >> I'm not going into the British double standards that helped breed the >> Irgun. Too similar to what is still happening. >> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Haganah was formed in the 20's after the anti-Jewish riots in Palestine. >>> They were primarily defensive, protecting jewish settlements. After the war >>> of independence in 1948 they became the IDF. The Irgun was a radical >>> splinter group that left the Haganah in the early 30's. They fit more >>> within the mold of a terrorist group using assassinations, kidnapping and >>> bombings to try and achive independence. During 1944 the Haganah with the >>> cooperation of the British went to war with the Irgun. BTW there was an >>> Arab batallion in the Haganah. The last group the Lehi or Stern Gang was >>> even more radical than the Irgun. Even though the 3 groups reached a peace >>> accord in 1945, during the war of independence the Irgun and Stern Gang >>> were associated with a number of atrocities. The Haganah and Palmach were >>> responsible for bringing the perpetrators to the Israeli courts after >>> independence. Monachim Begen, a right wing Prime Minister of Israel was one >>> of the leaders of the Irgun. >>> >>> Michael and Judith may have a different take on the history though. >>> >>> On Monday, February 27, 2012, Judah McAuley wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I'm really not familiar with the various groups that operated in the >>>> area between the end of WWII and the declaration of statehood in 48. >>>> >>>> Judah >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Larry C. Lyons >>>> <[email protected]<javascript:;>> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Pity she belonged to a terrorist group. Haganah I can see, but a group >>>> that >>>> > used terrorism and bombings on civilians, peacekeeepers and other Jewish >>>> > defensive groups I find beyond the pale. At least it was not the Stern >>>> Gang. >>>> > >>>> > On Monday, February 27, 2012, Judah McAuley wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> Dr. Ruth also talks a little about her Orthodox Jewish parents. During >>>> >> World War II, Westheimer was sent from Frankfurt to a children's home >>>> >> in Switzerland after her father was rounded up by the Nazis; both her >>>> >> parents later died in the Holocaust. She was an only child. The war >>>> >> ended when she was 16. "I then went to Palestine, lived on a kibbutz, >>>> >> which is a collective farm," she explains, "and then worked in the >>>> >> underground movement as a sniper." (Dr. Ruth was a member of the >>>> >> Zionist paramilitary group the Irgun.) "So if you don't ask me good >>>> >> questions today, watch out," she teases interviewer Derek Blasberg. "I >>>> >> can still put five bullets in a little red circle." >>>> >> >>>> >> From the article: >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> http://jezebel.com/5888692/exclusive-dr-ruth-is-a-trained-israeli-sniper-who-doesnt-like-to-treat-people-who-are-into-bondage >>>> >> >>>> >> Huh. Definitely something I did not know about Dr. Ruth. She's a >>>> >> fascinating individual and damn smart. I'd love to have a drink with >>>> >> her some time. >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers, >>>> >> Judah >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:347605 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
