The King David Hotel was used as a military headquarters and for housing military personnel. In a way it was a legit target if the Lehi was a legit resistance organization. But the group also had a bombing campaign in London that targeted officials involved with the independence negotiations and administration of mandate territories.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote: > > The only part that I'm going to respond to is the bit about the Hotel > David bombing as I'm not familiar with the other intricacies you guys > are talking about, but it was always my understanding that everyone > has historically laughed at the post-bombing assertion that there were > warning phoned in? I also don't think that it makes any difference, > really. If you are blowing up a hotel, you are blowing up a hotel and > it doesn't matter if you warned people you were going to do it or not. > The hotel, as far as I'm aware, wasn't a military installation. I > admit that my knowledge of these events isn't in depth but even I know > something of the Hotel David bombing and I'm pretty sure the > historical consensus is that it was a flat out terrorist act. > > Also, Michael, you said that Dr. Ruth was actually part of a different > group and that the article I mentioned is incorrect. Do you have a > source for that? I'm really curious, I had no idea that Dr. Ruth was a > sniper :) > > Cheers, > Judah > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Michael Dinowitz > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Before I respond to the specific points you made, I'm going to have to >> do more research. I do know that it was not some innocent and peaceful >> village with no combatants, no history of attacks, and no reason for >> being attacked. I especially want to look up that accusation about the >> Lehi negotiating with the Nazis. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Deir Yassin - most of the people killed were civilians. According to >>> what I read, many were killed execution style. Assassination of 2 >>> peace negotiators. The Lehi negotiated with the Nazis and attempted to >>> ally with them. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Michael Dinowitz >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I would not use the term radical but I would use the term terrorist. >>>> The Irgun started as a retaliatory organization to instill terror in >>>> those who targeted Jews. The British were not protecting Jews in the >>>> area so the Irgun took an 'eye for an eye' approach. They did not >>>> initiate violence till later in their existence and that violence >>>> mainly targeted the British government that was in control of the area >>>> at the time. >>>> >>>> The term atrocity is a totally loaded one and its use is debatable in >>>> reference to the Irgun. The bombing of the King David Hotel (the >>>> center of British government control of the area) was accompanied by >>>> multiple warnings to which were ignored. The truth of Deir Yassin is >>>> so convoluted between scholarship of facts, of politics, of >>>> propaganda, and of 'alternate' views that it can barely be used in any >>>> clear conversation. >>>> >>>> I'm not going into the British double standards that helped breed the >>>> Irgun. Too similar to what is still happening. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Haganah was formed in the 20's after the anti-Jewish riots in Palestine. >>>>> They were primarily defensive, protecting jewish settlements. After the >>>>> war >>>>> of independence in 1948 they became the IDF. The Irgun was a radical >>>>> splinter group that left the Haganah in the early 30's. They fit more >>>>> within the mold of a terrorist group using assassinations, kidnapping and >>>>> bombings to try and achive independence. During 1944 the Haganah with the >>>>> cooperation of the British went to war with the Irgun. BTW there was an >>>>> Arab batallion in the Haganah. The last group the Lehi or Stern Gang was >>>>> even more radical than the Irgun. Even though the 3 groups reached a peace >>>>> accord in 1945, during the war of independence the Irgun and Stern Gang >>>>> were associated with a number of atrocities. The Haganah and Palmach were >>>>> responsible for bringing the perpetrators to the Israeli courts after >>>>> independence. Monachim Begen, a right wing Prime Minister of Israel was >>>>> one >>>>> of the leaders of the Irgun. >>>>> >>>>> Michael and Judith may have a different take on the history though. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2012, Judah McAuley wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm really not familiar with the various groups that operated in the >>>>>> area between the end of WWII and the declaration of statehood in 48. >>>>>> >>>>>> Judah >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Larry C. Lyons >>>>>> <[email protected]<javascript:;>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Pity she belonged to a terrorist group. Haganah I can see, but a group >>>>>> that >>>>>> > used terrorism and bombings on civilians, peacekeeepers and other >>>>>> > Jewish >>>>>> > defensive groups I find beyond the pale. At least it was not the Stern >>>>>> Gang. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Monday, February 27, 2012, Judah McAuley wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Dr. Ruth also talks a little about her Orthodox Jewish parents. During >>>>>> >> World War II, Westheimer was sent from Frankfurt to a children's home >>>>>> >> in Switzerland after her father was rounded up by the Nazis; both her >>>>>> >> parents later died in the Holocaust. She was an only child. The war >>>>>> >> ended when she was 16. "I then went to Palestine, lived on a kibbutz, >>>>>> >> which is a collective farm," she explains, "and then worked in the >>>>>> >> underground movement as a sniper." (Dr. Ruth was a member of the >>>>>> >> Zionist paramilitary group the Irgun.) "So if you don't ask me good >>>>>> >> questions today, watch out," she teases interviewer Derek Blasberg. "I >>>>>> >> can still put five bullets in a little red circle." >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> From the article: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> http://jezebel.com/5888692/exclusive-dr-ruth-is-a-trained-israeli-sniper-who-doesnt-like-to-treat-people-who-are-into-bondage >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Huh. Definitely something I did not know about Dr. Ruth. She's a >>>>>> >> fascinating individual and damn smart. I'd love to have a drink with >>>>>> >> her some time. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Cheers, >>>>>> >> Judah >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:347628 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
