No Deir Yassin was not an innocent town. The arab fighters did not evacuate the civilians. But the Lehi and Irgun as far as I can tell did go much too far.
As for the contact with the Nazis, that happened in 1943-1944, Wikipedia (fwiw) has a fairly good summary on this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)#Contact_with_Nazi_Germany On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Michael Dinowitz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Before I respond to the specific points you made, I'm going to have to > do more research. I do know that it was not some innocent and peaceful > village with no combatants, no history of attacks, and no reason for > being attacked. I especially want to look up that accusation about the > Lehi negotiating with the Nazis. > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Deir Yassin - most of the people killed were civilians. According to >> what I read, many were killed execution style. Assassination of 2 >> peace negotiators. The Lehi negotiated with the Nazis and attempted to >> ally with them. >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Michael Dinowitz >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I would not use the term radical but I would use the term terrorist. >>> The Irgun started as a retaliatory organization to instill terror in >>> those who targeted Jews. The British were not protecting Jews in the >>> area so the Irgun took an 'eye for an eye' approach. They did not >>> initiate violence till later in their existence and that violence >>> mainly targeted the British government that was in control of the area >>> at the time. >>> >>> The term atrocity is a totally loaded one and its use is debatable in >>> reference to the Irgun. The bombing of the King David Hotel (the >>> center of British government control of the area) was accompanied by >>> multiple warnings to which were ignored. The truth of Deir Yassin is >>> so convoluted between scholarship of facts, of politics, of >>> propaganda, and of 'alternate' views that it can barely be used in any >>> clear conversation. >>> >>> I'm not going into the British double standards that helped breed the >>> Irgun. Too similar to what is still happening. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Haganah was formed in the 20's after the anti-Jewish riots in Palestine. >>>> They were primarily defensive, protecting jewish settlements. After the war >>>> of independence in 1948 they became the IDF. The Irgun was a radical >>>> splinter group that left the Haganah in the early 30's. They fit more >>>> within the mold of a terrorist group using assassinations, kidnapping and >>>> bombings to try and achive independence. During 1944 the Haganah with the >>>> cooperation of the British went to war with the Irgun. BTW there was an >>>> Arab batallion in the Haganah. The last group the Lehi or Stern Gang was >>>> even more radical than the Irgun. Even though the 3 groups reached a peace >>>> accord in 1945, during the war of independence the Irgun and Stern Gang >>>> were associated with a number of atrocities. The Haganah and Palmach were >>>> responsible for bringing the perpetrators to the Israeli courts after >>>> independence. Monachim Begen, a right wing Prime Minister of Israel was one >>>> of the leaders of the Irgun. >>>> >>>> Michael and Judith may have a different take on the history though. >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 27, 2012, Judah McAuley wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm really not familiar with the various groups that operated in the >>>>> area between the end of WWII and the declaration of statehood in 48. >>>>> >>>>> Judah >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Larry C. Lyons >>>>> <[email protected]<javascript:;>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Pity she belonged to a terrorist group. Haganah I can see, but a group >>>>> that >>>>> > used terrorism and bombings on civilians, peacekeeepers and other >>>>> > Jewish >>>>> > defensive groups I find beyond the pale. At least it was not the Stern >>>>> Gang. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Monday, February 27, 2012, Judah McAuley wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Dr. Ruth also talks a little about her Orthodox Jewish parents. During >>>>> >> World War II, Westheimer was sent from Frankfurt to a children's home >>>>> >> in Switzerland after her father was rounded up by the Nazis; both her >>>>> >> parents later died in the Holocaust. She was an only child. The war >>>>> >> ended when she was 16. "I then went to Palestine, lived on a kibbutz, >>>>> >> which is a collective farm," she explains, "and then worked in the >>>>> >> underground movement as a sniper." (Dr. Ruth was a member of the >>>>> >> Zionist paramilitary group the Irgun.) "So if you don't ask me good >>>>> >> questions today, watch out," she teases interviewer Derek Blasberg. "I >>>>> >> can still put five bullets in a little red circle." >>>>> >> >>>>> >> From the article: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://jezebel.com/5888692/exclusive-dr-ruth-is-a-trained-israeli-sniper-who-doesnt-like-to-treat-people-who-are-into-bondage >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Huh. Definitely something I did not know about Dr. Ruth. She's a >>>>> >> fascinating individual and damn smart. I'd love to have a drink with >>>>> >> her some time. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Cheers, >>>>> >> Judah >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:347621 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
