They are not technical schools in the same sense that DeVry, IIT, or some of the fly by night Technical schools are. You get 4 year degrees and don't skimp on the general education classes like you do at the more "fast track" tech schools.
-----Original Message----- From: PT [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 1:46 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to life. On 3/2/2012 2:16 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > Do you realize that a technical school doesn't necessarily mean a > community college? Places like NC State , Texas A&M, and MIT are technical schools. I have never heard them commonly referred to as that, so, no, I didn't know that's what you meant. I meant community colleges or 2 year technical schools. > That four year degree requirement would have ruled out Steve Jobs, > Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg Those are the extreme cases and the exceptions. I am speaking in broad generalities. Besides, Bill Gates chose not to go to college. He dropped out of Harvard and his parents were wealthy. He wasn't hurting for opportunities. > It is also classist. An intelligent poor person may only be able to > afford a community college associate degree, but may be a lot better > programmer than a privileged child who attended a four year school I said nothing in contradiction to this ... if you are comparing programmers to programmers. > "4 year degree tells me that at least they will do the work, they are > probably more skilled socially, tend to have a greater knowledge of > the world and the human condition from which to draw when learning > something new and incorporating it into their life, they can set > goals, finish things on time and put up with the general BS that goes > along with it. Well rounded people. " > > Glad to know that someone who has to work part time to put herself > through community college isn't a well-rounded person and can't set > goals, can't cooperate with others, and can't finish things on time. > > Completely unlike those people who spent four years in a campus bubble. You seem to like speaking in absolutes. Notice I used words like "probably" and "tend to". The 4 year degree suggests that the individual possesses these traits, but does not guarantee it. The two year degree does not say they don't. This isn't an either/or thing. They are not mutually exclusive. > "You can teach someone like that what you want them to know (and many > companies expect this and do that very thing). As I was saying in my > last post, they will be faster learners." > > I agree with this if it means for anyone. I do not agree with this if > it only means for people who have four year degrees. > > > "I would be less likely to promote a coder who has only been educated > to be a coder into the position of a project manager. I would be more > inclined to take someone with a higher education and put them in that > position and teach them what the coders do. The learning curve for > them will be lower as they will only be picking up a new skill as > opposed to a new way of thinking about application development." > > I would be more like to evaluate each candiate on a variety of things. > Education would be part of the evaluation, but work experience > would be more valuable to me. It depends on the experience. If they have a lot of coding under their belt and produce excellent results, great for them. That does not mean they are automatically going to be good at something else. Going back to my earlier example, there can be a vast difference in education required between just being an excellent programmer and being an effective project analyst/manager. > > > J ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:347834 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
