I would bet cash money I have an NSA file. Aside from that spot on :)
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes. The question is why you said it. > > It has nothing to do with what I said, and if it has nothing to do > with these stupid laws, why did you say it in a thread about these > stupid laws, mmm? I figure it's just your usual fatuous and poorly > thought-out rehash of some irrelevant piece of conventional wisdom. > Next you'll be telling us not to open attachments from people we don't > know. > > Since I'm being this rude to you I'll make one attempt to explain this > to you. If some intelligence agency thinks it needs too, it can get > pretty much anything it wants to, this is true. There is a process for > doing this. A set of safeguards which is often overlooked and is not > that strong to begin with, true, but it does exist. The fact that > there is such a process does not make it ok for internet companies to > be able to do an end run around it any time they want. > , > Nobody on on this list is going to have an NSA team investigating them > anytime soon, ok? So to the extent that it a web company might feel a > bit queasy about US intelligence sifting through its customers' data > and consider hosting its information elsewhere, the proposed law does > represent a change in the status quo. You're saying it's already down > the toilet so why bother. Feel free to be that apathetic, but don't > complain if other people find it irritating. > > As for Switzerland, I suspect there are better options, but it would > at least give you European privacy law. On the other hand, that > particular service has a .com domain, which the US has claimed in some > cases gives it jurisdiction. But you don't stop going to the doctor > just because some diseases have no cure, right? Just because the US > has the resources to track terrorists if it can identify them, does > not mean we should all shrug off proposals to let Facebook decide > whether individual people need to have their information shared with > the federal government, and let the federal government do whatever it > wants with that information. And maybe if enough people consider or > discuss moving their business elsewhere it will have an effect. Or > not. I still think it's better than shrugging and turning on the > television though. > > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > No...what I was saying is that it's not safe to save anything on the > > net...whether here or Switzerland or anywhere else. It has nothing to do > > with these stupid laws. I dont know who's ass you pulled that > assumption > > out of, but it had nothing to do with what I was saying. I think you > need > > to clear your own ears... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:43 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: With CISPA on the horizon, use WUALA for cloud storage > > > > > > Clean out your ears. I'm not saying anything of the kind and I don't have > > the patience tonight to help you catch up. > > > > Yon the other hand seem to be saying that because some people's > information > > is obtainable by some process when necessary, it's ok to do away with the > > process for everyone's everything. Sorry if I am not ok with that. If it > > doesn't bother you, then don't let me stop you from getting back to > > tonight's episode of The Bachelor or whatever, shrug. > > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Eric Roberts > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> How is it sticking your head anywhere...if anything, saying that it's > >> ok to put your info somewhere, knowing theta they can get to it anyway > >> is really sticking your head in the sand and pretending that they > >> can't. If you want to put it out there, that is fine, but realize > >> that no what you do, if you are storing it on the internet somewhere, > >> it is not safe from government if they really want to get to it. The > >> only way to keep it secure is to store it somewhere that is not > connected > > to the net. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:38 PM > >> To: cf-community > >> Subject: Re: With CISPA on the horizon, use WUALA for cloud storage > >> > >> > >> ya, you're right, let's all stick our head ....::cough:: > >> > >> Sorry, I still say it's an excuse for apathy. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Eric Roberts > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> If they want to get to your info...they will...so no...not bullshit. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:11 PM > >>> To: cf-community > >>> Subject: Re: With CISPA on the horizon, use WUALA for cloud storage > >>> > >>> > >>> bullshit. That's just an excuse for apathy. Sorry to jump all over > >>> you but I've heard that way too much lately. First of all, the > >>> meaning of safety and security both depend on many factors. It makes > >>> a lot of difference whether we're talking about tracking cookies or > >>> terrorist activity, Anon script kiddies or freaking NSA. > >>> > >>> It's when you talk about cybersecurity as one big fungible mess that > >>> you get stupidity like this bill. Chinese government hackers fall in > >>> the category of cybersecurity, sure. Hollywood has a cybersecurity > >>> problem if their stuff is getting posted on the web, sure, but it's a > >>> different type of cybersecurity problem and some might say a > >>> licensing model problem. Similarly, I think the authors of this bill > >>> see the use of Twitter by Occupy activists as a cybersecurity problem > >>> because it involves the internet and Occupy makes them feel insecure > >>> ;P but I submit that it's not really, until you criminalize protest, > >>> so some might say that it's really a free speech problem ;) > >>> > >>> But if we throw up our hands over theis because Facebook can't seem > >>> to understand that it should abide by its own terms of service -- > >>> which is a cybersecurity problem for you and me imho -- then we may > >>> as well kiss the internet goodbye. Sure, we should all take > >>> precautions anyway. But a web service that *knows* it is being use to > >>> organize an Arab Spring has a responsibility to put some safeguards > >>> in place also, and it's the corporate responsibility part that is so > >>> shockingly lacking > >> in CISPA. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Eric Roberts > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Nothing on the net is safe or secure.. > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Yeah, looks like they have some anti-piracy group called SAFE that > >>>>> can pull the plug on sites at will, and do all kinds of surveillance. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Eric Roberts < > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Didn't the swiss also crack down on stuff like this as well? > >>>>> > Correct me > >>>>> if > >>>>> > i am wrong, bu did't they alos go after Pirate Bay? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Wuala seems to be the most secure online backup solution. It > >>>>> > > stores > >>>>> > NOTHING > >>>>> > > in the United States and goes to great lengths to ensure that > >>>>> > > its staff have no access to any of your files. It's based in > >> Switzerland. > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > With CISPA about to pass in the US (we can hope it won't, but > >>>>> > > so far > >>>>> the > >>>>> > > public outrage has been low compared to SOPA and ACTA), this is > >>>>> > > worth a look. We all need to decide how much we value our > >>>>> > > personal/business > >>>>> data, > >>>>> > > and whether we are ok with employees at these companies being > >>>>> > > able to browse what we store. > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > http://youtu.be/43EnCOpXD4Q > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:350385 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
