I don't care if someone is an atheist or not really. I don't care what anyone is.
I just people would stop caring about what I am or am not. I don't send armed men to my political opponents homes to disarm and defame them..... On Apr 4, 2013 4:24 PM, [email protected] wrote: > I feel that human nature is more easily fought within this moral structure > we've built and ruled the western world, really all the world, under for a > couple thousand years and every few hundred years we have huge amounts of > chaos as we go through cultural evolut ion > > I find most people are not capable of taking part in this and need the > structures of law enforcement and religion to be dragged along with thought > leaders. > > Religion, its what's for dinner. > On Apr 4, 2013 4:18 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> That makes no sense. How are skepticism or atheism incompatible with >> freedom? If anything its the opposite. I don't see Atheists demanding that >> every Sunday churches present the Theory of Evolution. But there are a lot >> of churches that want to do the same for creationism in the classroom. I >> don't see Atheism trying to prevent believers from holding public office, >> >> Have you ever really read up on Secular Humanism? Apparently not. One of >> the most important parts of it is Tolerance. Can you say the same for your >> religion? >> >> My own opinion is you don t gods, saints, demons, devils or whatever. I >> try >> to follow this code, I refuse to give in to the blackmail that most >> Christian churches hold to: >> >> "Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not >> care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues >> you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want >> to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will >> have >> lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." >> - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations >> >> And BTW another 2000+ year old set of questions I like >> >> "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. >> >> Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. >> >> Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? >> >> Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" >> >> And: "If God listened to the prayers of men, all men would quickly have >> perished: for they are forever praying for evil against one another." >> >> - Epicurus (341-270 B.C.E.) >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:42 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> > I think the idea of a creator who made the world in such a shape that >> men >> > have dominion over plant and animal and earth, that we are free, and >> that >> > we have inalienable rights, is central to our form of government. >> > >> > Atheism/statism/left wing humanist ideals are as incompatible with these >> > beliefs as the extremes of the right. >> > On Apr 4, 2013 2:20 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Its a matter of if a shoe fits... >> > > >> > > Lets face it someone insisting that Dinosaurs were on Noah's Arc and >> that >> > > the world was created just 6000 years ago, and that before the >> > Crucifixion >> > > the world was flat (how else could the Devil have Christ see the 4 >> > corners >> > > of the world), and then insisting that his particular delusions be >> > codified >> > > into law, is not operating on all cylinders. (damn that's an ugly run >> on >> > > sentence). >> > > >> > > That said I always find this interesting. Whil ereligious sorts claim >> > that >> > > they do not discriminate against unbelievers, they have been able to >> > codify >> > > it in several state constitutions: >> > > >> > > Arkansas, Article 19, Section 1: >> > > No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the >> > civil >> > > departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in >> > any >> > > Court. >> > > >> > > Maryland, Article 37: >> > > That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification >> for >> > any >> > > office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of >> > belief >> > > in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other >> > oath >> > > of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution. >> > > >> > > Mississippi, Article 14, Section 265: >> > > No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any >> > office >> > > in this state. >> > > >> > > North Carolina, Article 6, Section 8 >> > > The following persons shall be disqualified for office: Any person who >> > > shall deny the being of Almighty God. >> > > >> > > South Carolina, Article 17, Section 4: >> > > No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any >> > office >> > > under this Constitution. >> > > >> > > Tennessee, Article 9, Section 2: >> > > No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards >> and >> > > punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this >> state. >> > > >> > > Texas, Article 1, Section 4: >> > > No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any >> > office, >> > > or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from >> > holding >> > > office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge >> > the >> > > existence of a Supreme Being. >> > > >> > > ----------------- >> > > US Constitution >> > > Article VI. >> > > Clause 3 >> > > "... but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification >> to >> > any >> > > Office or public Trust under the United States." >> > > Amendment I >> > > "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, >> or >> > > prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" >> > > >> > > U.S. law is based on English common law, which was based on Roman law. >> > Note >> > > that the two concepts in the Constitution that could be called >> > religiously >> > > based are the acceptance of slavery and the treatment of women as >> second >> > > class citizens. >> > > >> > > The Declaration of Independence mentions Nature's God, not the >> Christian >> > > God. It is also not the basis for the U.S. government, the >> Constitution >> > is. >> > > >> > > The U.S. is no more a Christian nation than it is a white nation. >> > > >> > > In 1961, the U.S. Supreme Court reaffirmed that federal law prohibits >> > > states from requiring any kind of religious test to serve in office >> when >> > it >> > > ruled in favor of a Maryland atheist seeking appointment as a notary >> > > public. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > > >> > > > "So not only are they religious nut jobs, but they continue to >> support >> > > > anachronistic >> > > > and detrimental laws that were abolished centuries ago lol" >> > > > >> > > > Had to throw the 'nut jobs' in didn't you? It demeans your >> position. >> > > > >> > > > Anyway, last time I checked, the 1960's were not centuries ago. >> Some >> > of >> > > > these were still on record then. >> > > > >> > > > And to the point of anachronistic and detrimental, why weren't they >> > > deemed >> > > > so when the Constitution was ratified? I can see that argument on >> > > > anachronistic, but what about detrimental? >> > > > >> > > > J >> > > > >> > > > - >> > > > >> > > > Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad >> > > reputation. >> > > > - Henry Kissinger >> > > > >> > > > Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the >> > tunnel, >> > > > go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:362402 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
