In other words, he thinks he is entitled to his own facts, as well as his own opinion.
What an entitlement junkie. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > They were biased because they did not show his guy was going to win, > regardless of the fact that his guy did not win. > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > Sam how were the polls biased? According to the definition of statistical > > bias > > > > A statistic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistic> is *biased* if it > is > > calculated in such a way that is systematically different from the > > population > > parameter <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_parameter> of > > interest. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_(statistics) > > > > A bias sample is a bias <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias> in which a > > sample is collected in such a way that some members of the intended > > population <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_population> are > less > > likely to be included than others. It results in a*biased sample*, a > > non-random > > sample <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_sample>[1]< > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biased_sample#cite_note-1> > > of > > a population <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_population> (or > > non-human factors) in which all individuals, or instances, were not > equally > > likely to have been > > selected.[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biased_sample#cite_note-2> > > If > > this is not accounted for, results can be erroneously attributed to the > > phenomenon under study rather than to the method of > > sampling<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)> > > . > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biased_sample > > > > From what I've seen and others have also pointed out the proportion of > > voters voting democratic party vs those voting for the republicans in > these > > polls was very similar and in many cases the same as the final results. > > > > > > The problem is that you made the assertion that the difference were far > > larger. I asked you to provide backup for that. > > > > We are still waiting. > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > come on, you can't be arguing over this and not know anything about it > > can > > > you? > > > > > > > > > Yeah you can, nevermind. > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nice story, any citations for that? Its nice making all those > > assertions > > > > (you'd think it was a TDD exercise) but you still have to back them > up > > > Sam. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try again. The left leaning polls over sampled dems by using > > the > > > > > high turnout of dems from 2008. That was rare and unlikely. The > dems > > > > > actually showed up in lower numbers. However, since so few R's > voted > > > the > > > > > polls were right in the end. This is not due to them being correct, > > > just > > > > > dumb luck that Romney would kill his base in the end. Between that > > and > > > > the > > > > > polls telling us Obam won, why bother voting? > > > > > On Jun 5, 2013 11:46 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me see if I got this right: the polls that correctly > predicted > > > the > > > > > > President winning were 'left leaning', but the one poll that > > > > incorrectly > > > > > > predicted Gov. Romney winning was accurate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, the polls had 11+ D and more independents than normal. > This > > > was > > > > to > > > > > > > mimic the high D turnout in 2008 which wasn't likely. However, > > the > > > > > > > extremely low R turnout gave them the correct numbers after > all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that's because Romney told voters he was the same as > > > Obama > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > last debate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Judah McAuley < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CNN exit polls from 2012: > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Voting break down by party: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Democrats: 38% > > > > > > > > Republicans: 32% > > > > > > > > Independents: 29% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, yes, a 6% advantage in D vs R voting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And then Registered Voters via Pew: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.people-press.org/2012/08/23/a-closer-look-at-the-parties-in-2012/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: 35% > > > > > > > > R: 28% > > > > > > > > I: 33% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you push Independents to get which way they would lean in > > > voting > > > > > (D > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > R): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: 48% > > > > > > > > R: 43% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, a pretty consistent 5 to 7 percent margin no matter how > you > > > > slice > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Hence why the (good) polls included more Democrat and > > > > > Democrat-leaning > > > > > > > > responses in their sample in order to match demographics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Judah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:14 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very large scale surveys and the census have > > > > > > > > > > indicated that there are more Democratic than Republican > > > > voters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was a little bit surprised to hear that. Larry, are you > > > talking > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > REGISTERED voters, or people who actually cast votes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:364293 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
