and yet you still classify it as a belief....you are the epitome of someone
who can't think outside their belief system Sam.  Does it occur to you that
some can actually not have a belief.


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the
> universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency
> or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often
> containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
>
> I could make it fit but I'll let this one go for now.
>
> 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed
> upon by a number of persons or sects.
>
> Here. Especially if one can't say "so help me God"
> But aren't you folks all in agreement about what you believe?
>
> 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and
> practices.
>
> Freedom From Religion Foundation fits here. This fits too:
> Atheist Alliance International's mission is to challenge and confront
> religious faith, to strengthen global atheism by promoting the growth and
> interaction of atheist/freethought organisations around the world and to
> undertake international educational and advocacy projects.
>
> Sounds like proselytism.
>
> the rest are just using in a sentence stuff
>
> 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
>
> 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
>
> .
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > ok, so which one do you think atheists belong to?  Which one of those
> > classifications does not have a belief
> >
> > sometimes I think religious people can't think any other way than in the
> > context of a belief.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > 1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the
> > > universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman
> > agency
> > > or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and
> > often
> > > containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
> > >
> > > 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed
> > > upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the
> > Buddhist
> > > religion.
> > >
> > > 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and
> > > practices: a world council of religions.
> > >
> > > 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
> > >
> > > 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
> > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling
> power,
> > > esp.
> > > > a personal God or gods.
> > > >
> > > > That argument about atheism being a religion reminds me of HGTG
> infocom
> > > > game where you carry "no-tea" as an item in your inventory.  Of
> course,
> > > in
> > > > that it was meant to be comedy.  Unfortunately, in the real world,
> > that's
> > > > not so true.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not a lie if it's not an affirmation. If you are religiously
> > > against
> > > > > religion then you should not take the job. Until they cater to your
> > > > > religious needs that is.
> > > > >
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
> > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What other qualifications for office do you feel it would be okay
> > to
> > > > lie
> > > > > > about?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Sam <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't consider it an affirmation, but I understand if you do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
> > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > true, but the point was being made that it's okay if you
> don't
> > > > > believe
> > > > > > > > because technically it's not lying.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > a lie is a lie regardless of how easy it is to expose.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If I apply for office in Texas and I affirm that I believe
> in a
> > > > > higher
> > > > > > > > power, is that not a lie just because it can't be proven
> > easily?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Scott Stroz <
> > [email protected]
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is a lot easier, I think, to verify someone has a degree
> > > than
> > > > > > verify
> > > > > > > > > that they believe in some kind of deity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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