I agree we do have a higher violent crime rate than many other place.  Even if you 
take guns out of the equation I am willing to bet it would be about the same.  Why?  
We have a very different culture than any where else.  Personal freedom, individual 
liberty is supposed to be the most important thing to us.  To the point that the 
rebel/criminal persona takes on heroic qualities here.  Violence is the means by which 
we as a nation were founded, and all major change in the US has come through violence. 
 Yet I would say it is that very aggressive nature that has put us at the forefront of 
the world.

We are the alpha males of the international community. :)

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:llyons@;ebstor.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:27 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Possible Sniper Arrest


On training again, so my replies will be spotty today.

at the same time, if you look at the murder rates in Canada and the US, Canada has a 
murder rate that is far below what would be expected if gun control laws had no effect 
on homicide rate. When you statistically control for other factors, such as economic 
and ses factors, the differences are even greater.

One very good example I like was a study that compared emergency room visits to 
Seattle area and Vancouver, BC area hospitals. For Seattle the majority of emergency 
room visits were firearm related. In Vancouver it was auto and home accidents. When 
statistical matching was used to control for national differences other than guns, 
such as health care factors etc, the only differences that remained were entirely 
attributed to firearms.

One thing that many forget in this arguement is the impulsiveness involved with many 
firearm related homicides and incidents. Beating a person to death or using a blunt 
instrument required a lot of deliberation and intentionality. In contrast, how fast 
does it take to use a firearm? Remove firearms from the equation and homicide rates 
drop precipitously.

larry

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